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Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
« on: September 09, 2019, 08:47:52 PM »
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  • I have a very nervous friend who is an adherent to the Novus Ordo - all the while criticizing its political correctness.  She has asked me about the following two items.  Before I try to answer, I thought to offer the questions to you all on CathInfo, so as to get a better selections of answers before trying to respond.  

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    1.  Bishop Robert Barron CA - any opinions?

    2. Who creates “dogma” ?  If a corrupt, sinful, pope initiated a dogma, would it be valid?

    Thank you for any help and God bless you.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #1 on: September 09, 2019, 08:51:06 PM »
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    1.  Bishop Robert Barron CA - any opinions?
    I think he means well and has a good personality, but is not to be trusted on anything relating to the modern situation in the Church, Vatican II, Extra Ecclesiam, universalism, or any related topics.  But I do think he's good on certain things.  I thought about 80% of his interview with Shapiro was solid, good stuff and the other 20% is definitely dangerous stuff.

    I think there are certainly better Catholic voices for somebody to listen to, if someone wants my opinion ,but I'm not completely all or nothing.

    I grant freely my opinion will be very positive by the standards of this forum, though all my Novus Ordo friends think I'm hard on him (and I'm talking about the types of Novus Ordo friends who actually do believe all the dogmas of the Church, albeit probably watering down EENS to some extent, a lot by the standards of this forum)


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    2. Who creates “dogma” ?  If a corrupt, sinful, pope initiated a dogma, would it be valid?
    It ultimately comes from the apostles.  Popes only codify it.  And yes if a corrupt, sinful pope codified something from the previously unformulated Apostolic Deposit, it would be valid nonetheless.


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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #2 on: September 09, 2019, 08:59:13 PM »
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  • Re: +Barron... I'll just throw these out there...

    As a Non-Believing Jew Ben Shapiro Gets a Free Pass to Heaven from Bishop Barron


    https://youtu.be/OYWBNMOCrlo?t=608

    Now, I do not think +Barron is an evil person (unlike some other prelates whom shall remain nameless).  But, he just seems to dance around too many issues that shouldn't require any dancing whatsoever.

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #3 on: September 09, 2019, 09:12:54 PM »
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  • The apostate "Bishop" Barron teaches and says here, "even atheists can make it to Heaven"


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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #4 on: September 10, 2019, 05:51:11 AM »
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  • I have a very nervous friend who is an adherent to the Novus Ordo - all the while criticizing its political correctness.  She has asked me about the following two items.  Before I try to answer, I thought to offer the questions to you all on CathInfo, so as to get a better selections of answers before trying to respond.  

    She wanted to know about:  

    1.  Bishop Robert Barron CA - any opinions?

    2. Who creates “dogma” ?  If a corrupt, sinful, pope initiated a dogma, would it be valid?

    Thank you for any help and God bless you.
    I don't know anything about the bishop, but the dogma you are speaking of, is simply doctrine, defined ex cathedra. I think your signature exemplifies this very well, but no one creates dogma.  

    Not sure what is meant by a pope initiating a dogma, but the Holy Ghost will never permit an invalid dogma from either a saintly or a corrupt pope. There is simply no such thing as an invalid dogma.        
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis


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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #5 on: September 10, 2019, 10:00:25 AM »
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  • The apostate "Bishop" Barron teaches and says here, "even atheists can make it to Heaven"

    That opinion was held by no Catholic ever ... until Antipope Bergoglio floated it.

    Even the more liberal Jesuit types held that one needed to at least believe in a God who rewards the just and punishes the wicked.

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #6 on: September 10, 2019, 01:06:28 PM »
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  • Bishop Barron comes off as a huge phony to me.   Something off about him.  He's too smooth.

    My diocese idolizes him.


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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #7 on: September 10, 2019, 03:30:52 PM »
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  • All new order give to abortion.  ALL who support Catholic Charities supports the Government and State. 

    How is he now?  Demonic!


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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #8 on: September 10, 2019, 05:13:23 PM »
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  • The apostate "Bishop" Barron teaches and says here, "even atheists can make it to Heaven"


    Yes" Bishop " Barron believes Hell is empty....
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 05:18:26 PM »
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  • The apostate "Bishop" Barron teaches and says here, "even atheists can make it to Heaven.

    I agree with you on this. It is best to avoid Barron altogether.   His words might lead people to hell.  He seems to be a false prophet with an occult following.  Many traditional Catholic like him too. 
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Barron a heretic
    « Reply #10 on: September 13, 2019, 10:15:48 PM »
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  • Doctrinal Universalism
    Barron professes the heresy of doctrinal universalism,
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    The theory that hell is essentially a kind of purgatory in which sins are expiated, so that eventually everyone will be saved. Also called apokatastasis, it was condemned by the church in A.D. 543, against the Origenists, who claimed that
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    the punishment of devils and wicked men is temporary and will eventually cease, that is to say, that devils or the ungodly will be completely restored to their original state
    (Denzinger 411).

    Balthasar & Barron believe hell is empty.
    The Modernist, syncretist, New Theologian Hans Urs Von Balthasar (1905-1988), influenced by the fake mystic Adrienne von Speyr, promoted the heresy that hell is empty. He also wrote the afterword of a book on Tarot cards and the occult.
    Barron wrote the preface to the 2nd edition of Balthasar's Dare We Hope That All Men Be Saved.

    One cannot hope for the impossible.
    The intellectual virtue of faith precedes the virtue of hope, which exists in the will, since the intellect precedes the will (cf. 21st Thomistic thesis). The object of hope cannot contradict reason.
    Discussing how faith precedes hope in Summa Theologica II-II q. 17 a. 7 co., St. Thomas Aquinas writes:
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    the object of hope is a future good, arduous but possible to obtain
    Obiectum enim spei est bonum futurum arduum possibile haberi.
    Thus, one cannot hope for impossible things, e.g., that God doesn't exist, that He contradict Himself, that the Church's dogmas change, that 2+2=5, etc.

    Religious Indifferentism
    Related to his universalist heresy, Barron professes the heresy of religious indifferentism, which holds that no one religion is necessary for salvation. Recently, he told a Jew that Jesus is the "privileged way" of salvation, which implies there are other means of salvation, directly contradicting, e.g., Acts 4:12 ("Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.").

    Hell exists, and its punishments are perpetual.
    Athanasian Creed (D 40):
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    those who have done good, will go into life everlasting, but those who have done evil, into eternal fire
    qui bona egerunt, ibunt in vitam æternam, qui vero mala, in ignem æternum
    The Fourth Lateran Council (1215) defined the dogma that the rejected will receive (D 429):
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    everlasting punishment with the devil
    cum diabolo pœnam perpetuam
    Once a soul is damned, there is no hope that it will be saved.
    These dogmas are de fide ("of the faith"). Contradicting a de fide truth incurs the censure of heresy; the effects of denying it are:
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    Mortal sin committed directly against the virtue of faith, and, if the heresy is outwardly professed, excommunication is automatically incurred and membership of the Church forfeited.

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #11 on: September 13, 2019, 11:48:39 PM »
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  • Matthew 7:21-23
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    [21] Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #12 on: September 14, 2019, 04:33:42 AM »
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  • Truth creates dogma.

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #13 on: September 14, 2019, 05:26:06 AM »
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  • The truth is our Catholic faith is being attacked and watered down by false teachers.
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Re: Bishop Robert Barron, C.A. - & "Who creates Dogma?"
    « Reply #14 on: September 14, 2019, 06:58:39 PM »
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  • The apostate "Bishop" Barron teaches and says here, "even atheists can make it to Heaven"


    I'm not convinced he's apostate, but I grant that this is horrendous.  I can't see any logical way an atheist could be saved, and I'm liberal on EENS by this group's standards.


     

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