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Offline Neil Obstat

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Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
« on: February 23, 2018, 01:07:12 PM »
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    That he was 99 years old might not be a matter of contention, but what about the rest of what's being said?
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    When his death is mentioned on broadcast media, from what I've heard more than half the time they say, "He was America's pastor."
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    Pat Boone was a caller on a radio program this past Wednesday, with some memorable comments. I took notes:
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    "We have no question where he is, and there is no reason to be sad! Even those who did not believe the things Billy did, recognized him for the upright character he personified, with never a scandal, never a question against him for how he lived his life. We can know that the very second after he left his body like a crocus, that very instant he heard his welcome in heaven: Well done, good and faithful servant! I feel as if he is sitting right next to Jesus -- Who, we know, is sitting at the right hand of the Father."
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    It seems to me Pat Boone might be trying to get a leg up on the competition. What do you think? 
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 05:40:10 PM »
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  • Billy Graham was granted 99 years to figure out the truth and yet, unless he converted to Catholicism late in life and in private, it looks like he did not figure it out. 

    A quote of Billy Graham's sums up the troubles of the post-Vatican II Church.  In his early years, Mr. Graham was a vociferous anti-Catholic but mellowed as the years and decades rolled on.  When asked of this change, Mr. Graham answered, "The Catholic Church changed and I changed too."  He is definitely correct.  The post-Vatican II Church is very different from the Catholic Church. 


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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 06:16:32 PM »
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  • IF, I am correct, didn't Pat Boone have other ladies, when he was a married man?  As I recall, he made a public statement that he was a very bad boy!

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 04:55:32 AM »
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  • Here's what this prot pastor says, it kind of amazes me.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 09:10:16 AM »
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  • https://akacatholic.com/billy-graham-has-died-santo-subito/
    Lots of erroneous comments about God's Mercy and Graham's ignorance, typical of todays Catholics who really do no believe in EENS.

    Billy Graham was a 33rd degree mason. He knew what he was doing.

    St. Peter Julian Eymard – Bad Catholic vs Good Protestant

    People often say, “It is better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.” That is not true! That would mean that one could be saved without the true faith. No. A bad Catholic remains a child of the family, although a prodigal; and however great a sinner he may be, he still has a right to mercy. Through his faith, a bad Catholic is nearer to God than a Protestant, for he is a member of the household, whereas the heretic is not. And how hard it is to make him become one!
    St. Peter Julian Eymard
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 10:54:40 PM »
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  • Lots of erroneous comments about God's Mercy and Graham's ignorance, typical of today's Catholics who really do no believe in EENS.

    Billy Graham was a 33rd degree mason. He knew what he was doing.

    St. Peter Julian Eymard – Bad Catholic vs Good Protestant

    People often say, “It is better to be a good Protestant than a bad Catholic.” That is not true! That would mean that one could be saved without the true faith. No. A bad Catholic remains a child of the family, although a prodigal; and however great a sinner he may be, he still has a right to mercy. Through his faith, a bad Catholic is nearer to God than a Protestant, for he is a member of the household, whereas the heretic is not. And how hard it is to make him become one!
    St. Peter Julian Eymard
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    Thank you for this from St. Peter Julian Eymard. He was a great exponent of the Blessed Sacrament and that carries through in all his writings. Obviously, the Faith of Catholics is inherently tied to the Eucharist, which is something that all Protestants miss out on entirely. It is Catholic dogma that proper reception and true faith in the Real Presence is a necessity for eternal salvation, which is why the Eastern Churches administer the Holy Eucharist even to children just after their Baptism.
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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2018, 02:36:29 AM »
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  • I think that we should pray for him that he may rest in peace.


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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2018, 09:32:24 AM »
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  • I think that we should pray for him that he may rest in peace.
    Do you pray for Adolph Hitler?
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #9 on: February 25, 2018, 10:18:18 AM »
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  • Regarding prayer for Billy Graham:  hasn't his soul already been judged by God? Isn't particular judgment immediate?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2018, 11:02:43 AM »
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  • Regarding prayer for Billy Graham:  hasn't his soul already been judged by God? Isn't particular judgment immediate?

    That's the wrong way to think. God takes all prayers into account. But that includes prayers before, during, and after a person's death. God is above and outside of time, remember that.

    There's a reason why bodies don't immediately manifest where the soul went. God could make all the bodies of damned souls stink accordingly, and the bodies of the Just could all be like the saints' bodies (heavenly fragrance, incorrupt) but such is not God's will. Furthermore, the Church doesn't have an inverse Canon of non-saints, or a catalog of the Damned. We are always encouraged to pray for the dead, but of course keeping in mind that there is not an equal "hope for salvation" among all those who have died. In, fact, the Church has regulations on things like who can be buried in a Catholic cemetery. 

    But we must not bring God down to our human level, we who are slaves of (rather than masters of) Time.

    Being above time is one of the things only God enjoys, which is why there will never be a "Time Machine" no matter how many humans fantasize about the idea. There will never be a device that will bring us even 1 minute forward or backwards in time.

    Being bound by time is part of being a creature.
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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #11 on: February 25, 2018, 05:46:51 PM »
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  • We are encouraged to pray for the dead, but isn't that for the "faithful departed"...as in those who died as Catholics?  Can you provide Church teaching that states we should pray for the souls of non-Catholics after death?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #12 on: February 25, 2018, 08:15:06 PM »
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  • Second Book Of Machabees        Chapter 12

    [44] (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) [45] And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. [45] "With godliness": Judas hoped that these men who died fighting for the cause of God and religion, might find mercy: either because they might be excused from mortal sin by ignorance; or might have repented of their sin, at least at their death. [46] It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #13 on: February 26, 2018, 03:19:23 AM »
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  • Do you pray for Adolph Hitler?
    I pray for all the souls in Purgatory.
    :pray: :pray: :pray:

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    Re: Billy Graham -- he was almost 100
    « Reply #14 on: February 26, 2018, 03:21:56 AM »
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  • Regarding prayer for Billy Graham:  hasn't his soul already been judged by God? Isn't particular judgment immediate?
    Yes, Billy Graham has been judged by God. This particular judgement is immediate. However what that judgement is is only known to God. We don't know the particulars of Billy Graham's situation. Therefore the charitable thing is to pray for the repose of his soul.