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Offline clare

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"Certain Fashions will be introduced..."
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2014, 09:51:23 AM »
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    Another one i have never seen the actual source for is the one from Pope St. Pius X which says modernists "should be beaten with fists".

    I'd be interested to know that too. According to Wikipedia's entry on St Pius X, it was quoted in John Cornwall's hatchet job, "Hitler's Pope".


    I read and dissected that book and I did not see it in there but I wasn't focused on Pius X when I read it. I do not remember that quote at all.

    Page 37, according to Wiki.
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    « Reply #31 on: April 03, 2014, 09:53:12 AM »
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    That particular prophecy of Our Lady is not a correct translation. The more literal meaning instead of "Fashion" is "trends" meaning the trends and changes in the Mass and overall Catholic Faith.

     There was apparently an article about it in a past "Remnant". Anybody have the article?


    That is my thought as well. What does the original Portuguese say and what is meant most specifically to the Portuguese by the word translated as "fashion"? Does it mean clothing, a novelty, fad, trend, or an aspect of popular culture? Does the word have the same meaning today as 100 years ago? All important questions.
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    « Reply #32 on: April 03, 2014, 09:55:54 AM »
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    Another one i have never seen the actual source for is the one from Pope St. Pius X which says modernists "should be beaten with fists".

    I'd be interested to know that too. According to Wikipedia's entry on St Pius X, it was quoted in John Cornwall's hatchet job, "Hitler's Pope".


    I read and dissected that book and I did not see it in there but I wasn't focused on Pius X when I read it. I do not remember that quote at all.

    Page 37, according to Wiki.


    I hate that book, even more now, if it were possible.
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    « Reply #33 on: April 03, 2014, 11:47:35 AM »
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    That particular prophecy of Our Lady is not a correct translation. The more literal meaning instead of "Fashion" is "trends" meaning the trends and changes in the Mass and overall Catholic Faith.

     There was apparently an article about it in a past "Remnant". Anybody have the article?


    In the booklet, the comment about "sins of the flesh" is part of the same quote as the use of the word "fashions". Unless that is incorrect, I don't understand how it could apply to changes in the Mass.
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    « Reply #34 on: April 03, 2014, 12:44:43 PM »
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    That particular prophecy of Our Lady is not a correct translation. The more literal meaning instead of "Fashion" is "trends" meaning the trends and changes in the Mass and overall Catholic Faith.

     There was apparently an article about it in a past "Remnant". Anybody have the article?


    That is my thought as well. What does the original Portuguese say and what is meant most specifically to the Portuguese by the word translated as "fashion"? Does it mean clothing, a novelty, fad, trend, or an aspect of popular culture? Does the word have the same meaning today as 100 years ago? All important questions.


    Dear Mabel,

    I am SO glad you said that--100% agreed.  

    As an aside, I have wondered the same for "Holy Father".  For example, does it mean the papacy, or the pope specifically in the Portuguese vernacular of 100 years ago.
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    « Reply #35 on: April 03, 2014, 02:27:55 PM »
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    • Changes in the Mass, Sacraments, doctrines, acceptance of sodomites etc. are not "trends" or "fashions", but heresies, blasphemies, apostasy, sacrileges, errors etc.
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    « Reply #36 on: April 03, 2014, 02:54:56 PM »
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    Changes in the Mass, Sacraments, doctrines, acceptance of sodomites etc. are not "trends" or "fashions", but heresies, blasphemies, apostasy, sacrileges, errors etc.


    True. But not to non catholics. Acceptance of sodomites is a ' trend ' in the world today. So could this message not pertain to all people? That's how I was thinking or mentioning of. "Trends "
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    « Reply #37 on: April 03, 2014, 05:39:04 PM »
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    This reminds me of that claim that Pope St. Pius X "looked at the Catholic Encyclopedia with disgust and threw it on the floor" that is flying around on the net too. I have never seen any actually source for that either, only people quoting it .

    I love that claim about Pope Saint Pius X and the Catholic Encyclopedia. I hope it is legitimate.


    I have tried to verify this supposed claim against the Catholic Encyclopdia, (that St. Pius X was disgusted and threw it on the floor) but have found nothing to support it.

    It appears to me to be a myth of history.  If St. Pius X was so outraged by it, he had the power to forbid its publication.  He did not, so I have a high suspicion of this  story.
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    "Certain Fashions will be introduced..."
    « Reply #38 on: April 03, 2014, 06:02:44 PM »
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    It appears to me to be a myth of history.

    If you are right then someone told a very big lie.
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    « Reply #39 on: April 03, 2014, 06:25:03 PM »
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    It appears to me to be a myth of history.

    If you are right then someone told a very big lie.


    Possibly.  Either way, there is no known source to this allegation.  It harms and taints the good names of the thousands of theologians and Catholic historians that worked on this project.
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    « Reply #40 on: April 04, 2014, 03:21:45 AM »
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    That particular prophecy of Our Lady is not a correct translation. The more literal meaning instead of "Fashion" is "trends" meaning the trends and changes in the Mass and overall Catholic Faith.

     There was apparently an article about it in a past "Remnant". Anybody have the article?


    In the booklet, the comment about "sins of the flesh" is part of the same quote as the use of the word "fashions". Unless that is incorrect, I don't understand how it could apply to changes in the Mass.


    I agree. I think trying to apply this to "trends" in the Church is a tortured use of logic, especially considering the context of the statement -- as you mention -- this was grouped with Blessed Jacinta's section on the sins of the flesh. And also there is the fact that our Lady of Fatima told the children that most souls in Hell went (will go) there because of sins of impurity. And there is the historical fact of very immodest dress arising after Our Lady warned Jacinta that it was on its way.

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