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Title: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Binechi on June 25, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
Francis-Bergoglio Has Appointed a Top Secret Commission
 To Make up a "Newest Mess" to Be Concelebrated with Heretics
From: The TRADITIO Fathers
(http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1706za.jpg)Francis-Bergoglio of Newchurch and Lutheran Minister Kruse
 Are Discussing a Top Secret "Newest Mess" for Joint Use
 Which Will Have No Consecration (as if the "New Mess" Did Now!)
 It Is the Vatican II Anti-council All over Again -- but Worse
 To Accommodate Concelebrating the "Newest Mess" with Heretics
 Bergoglio Is Now Working on a New Heresy
 That Would Consider Sacraments as "Partially Valid"
And you thought that the "New Mess" (Novus Ordo) of 1969 was anti-Catholic and invalid! Just wait until Francis-Bergoglio's "Newest Mess" is rolled out! As we previously reported in our Daily Commentaries, Bergoglio formed a top-secret commission in 2016 to come up with Mess that would be acceptable for concelebration with heretics. The commission includes representatives from heretical sects, as did Hannibal Bugnini's post Vatican II commission, which originally came up with the invalid "New Mess."
On June 20, 2017, the report that leaked out that, to please the heretics, there would be no consecration (the current New Mess consecration is, of course, invalid), but a moment of silence in order that everyone present could make up his own words mentally. The silence would be followed by the Pater Noster -- in the defective Protestant form, of course.
Francis-Bergoglio may be a Marxist, but he is no fool. He knows that he has lost the argument about the validity of the "New Mess," with more and more Catholics calling it patently invalid, as did we TRADITIO Fathers from the beginning. Therefore, Bergoglio wants to play the Vatican II game and change the meaning of the words. "For the sake of oecuмenism," he wants to stop thinking of the sacraments (which Newchurch no longer has, except sometimes baptism and matrimony) as "valid" or "invalid." [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the daily newspaper La Stampa, of Turin, Italy.]
True Catholics, Francis-Bergoglio is now working on a new heresy that would consider sacraments as "partially valid." That was the same kind of ploy used by Fr. Josef Ratzinger, later to be known as Benedict-Ratzinger, in denying the dogma that the Catholic Church is the "one true Church of Christ" and pushing the heretical notion that all sects are true, at least in part. This is the Heresy of Oecuмenism, adopted at the Vatican II Anti-council. Those Neocon Newchurchers and pseudo-traditionalists -- and that includes the Neo-SSPX's Bernie Fellay -- who persist in bending the knee to Bergoglio's heretical Marxist Newchurch are going to be singing a different tune when they are forced to concelebrate the "Newest Mess" with Protestants!
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: rosary93 on June 25, 2017, 06:30:55 PM
once Satan takes over a person's mind, there is just no end to the goofyness that one is capable of
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 25, 2017, 09:40:45 PM
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Francis-Bergoglio of Newchurch and Lutheran Minister Kruse 
Are Discussing a Top Secret "Newest Mess" for Joint Use
Which Will Have No Consecration (as if the "New Mess" Did Now!)
It Is the Vatican II Anti-council All over Again -- but Worse
To Accommodate Concelebrating the "Newest Mess" with Heretics
Bergoglio Is Now Working on a New Heresy
That Would Consider Sacraments as "Partially Valid"
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And you thought that the "New Mess" (Novus Ordo) of 1969 was anti-Catholic and invalid! Just wait until Francis-Bergoglio's "Newest Mess" is rolled out!
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If this "newest mess" is "rolled out" then how could it be "top secret?"
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Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Neil Obstat on June 25, 2017, 09:43:34 PM
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They're discussing the opening of Pandora's Box.
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(http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1706za.jpg)
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: RomanCatholic1953 on June 25, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
Padre Pio is correct when he said to Fr. Amorth and released after Fr. Amorth death that the Third Secret of Fatima
is connected to the loss of Faith in the Church said the following in 1960:


You know, Gabriele?It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.”
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Last Tradhican on June 26, 2017, 08:27:47 AM
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If this "newest mess" is "rolled out" then how could it be "top secret?"
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It is news. Once it is introduced and used, it will be fact. I always react to news like this as   "thanks for the warning", and I await the time when it comes to fruition.
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: poche on June 26, 2017, 10:53:45 AM
If there is no consecration then there is no mass. 
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Prayerful on June 26, 2017, 12:38:00 PM
The Novus Ordo Missae, that sacrilegious simulation of the Mass (Fr Wathen's Great Sacrilege (https://www.cathinfo.com/TheGreatSacrilegeCI.pdf) seems to be hosted here no longer) already is that. Recall the six Protestants Ministers who assisted Mgsr Bugnini and Concilium:

1.    A. Raymond George (Methodist)
2.    Ronald Jaspar (Anglican)
3.    Massey Shepherd (Episcopalian)
4.    Friedrich Künneth (Lutheran)
5.    Eugene Brand (Lutheran)[5]
6.    Max Thurian (Calvinist-community of Taize).

Source: Remnant Newspaper October 2013 (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/24-what-about-those-six-protestants-and-the-new-mass))

Msgr Bugnini wanted to remove all barriers with 'our Reformed Brethren.' :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic:

:heretic: :jester: :heretic:

The second set of emoticons references 'Clown Masses.'

Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Stubborn on June 26, 2017, 01:00:46 PM
The Novus Ordo Missae, that sacrilegious simulation of the Mass (Fr Wathen's Great Sacrilege (https://www.cathinfo.com/TheGreatSacrilegeCI.pdf) seems to be hosted here no longer) already is that. Recall the six Protestants Ministers who assisted Mgsr Bugnini and Concilium:

The Great Sacrilege is here. (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/the-great-sacrilege-pdf/)
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Marlelar on June 28, 2017, 03:33:29 PM
Aside from Traditio I cannot find news of this "secret" anywhere.  Where does he get his information?
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Binechi on June 28, 2017, 03:37:01 PM
 [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the daily newspaper La Stampa, of Turin, Italy.]
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Geremia on June 28, 2017, 03:43:59 PM
[Some information for this Commentary was contributed by the daily newspaper La Stampa, of Turin, Italy.]
La Stampa, like La Reppublica (remember Francis's atheist friend there?), is a Freemasonic journal. It's not a trustworthy source.
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Marlelar on June 28, 2017, 10:51:43 PM
I searched the English version of La Stampa but could not find any related articles.
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: Incredulous on June 29, 2017, 12:48:35 PM
(http://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2016/01/958849_1_0117-pope-ѕуηαgσgυє_standard.jpg?alias=standard_600x400)
Francis acts not as Our Lord's Vicar, but as the proponent of the enemies of Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: poche on July 01, 2017, 01:11:54 AM
The Novus Ordo Missae, that sacrilegious simulation of the Mass (Fr Wathen's Great Sacrilege (https://www.cathinfo.com/TheGreatSacrilegeCI.pdf) seems to be hosted here no longer) already is that. Recall the six Protestants Ministers who assisted Mgsr Bugnini and Concilium:

1.    A. Raymond George (Methodist)
2.    Ronald Jaspar (Anglican)
3.    Massey Shepherd (Episcopalian)
4.    Friedrich Künneth (Lutheran)
5.    Eugene Brand (Lutheran)[5]
6.    Max Thurian (Calvinist-community of Taize).

Source: Remnant Newspaper October 2013 (https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/24-what-about-those-six-protestants-and-the-new-mass))

Msgr Bugnini wanted to remove all barriers with 'our Reformed Brethren.' :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic: :heretic:

:heretic: :jester: :heretic:

The second set of emoticons references 'Clown Masses.'
Cardinal Anders Arborelius of Stockholm is not ready to advocate the sharing of Communion between Catholics and Lutherans.
The new Swedish cardinal—the first-ever member of the College of Cardinals from the predominantly Lutheran country—spoke about the differences between Catholic and Lutheran understandings of the Eucharist in an interview with John Allen of Crux. He observed that “in the Lutheran Church, there are different visions on the Eucharist. Some members are very close to us,... while others have a very different outlook.”
Cardinal Arborelius said:
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Many in the Lutheran Church now say, “We have come to an agreement, now we must celebrate the Eucharist together.” Whereas we have to say “No, we haven’t come so far in our mutual dialogue,” and, of course, this will create a kind of frustration among many of the Lutherans that we cannot possibly celebrate together.

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=32005
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: rosary93 on July 08, 2017, 11:37:43 AM
Msgr Bugnini wanted to remove all barriers with 'our Reformed Brethren.'   


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remove all barriers.. sounds like "open the windows of the Church..."
It is sad but t he sedavacantists will triumph in the End
Title: Re: Bergoglio s New Secret Mess
Post by: rosary93 on July 08, 2017, 11:41:18 AM
Mess" with Protestants!
i do not agree that the NO Masses are invalid always
unless I do not understand the exact meaning of "invalid"?
If you are saying the hosts after consecration are NOT really Jesus, then I say No, that is not true
Even a priest in serious sin can consecrate t he host at Mass