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Offline klasG4e

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Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2017, 09:57:07 AM »
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  • Judaism was hijacked and corrupted big time by the "traditions of men."  Caiphas was the high priest of the corrupted religion.  He flat out rejected Jesus Christ and condemned Him of blasphemy.  The God-Man, on the other hand, never once rejected the authority and or position of Caiphas as being the valid high priest.  Interesting!


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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #16 on: September 05, 2017, 09:59:16 AM »
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  • Judaism was hijacked and corrupted big time by the "traditions of men."  Caiphas was the high priest of the corrupted religion.  He flat out rejected Jesus Christ and condemned Him of blasphemy.  The God-Man, on the other hand, never once rejected the authority and or position of Caiphas as being the valid high priest.  Interesting!
    Relevance?
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #17 on: September 05, 2017, 10:24:27 AM »
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  • Judaism was hijacked and corrupted big time by the "traditions of men."  Caiphas was the high priest of the corrupted religion.  He flat out rejected Jesus Christ and condemned Him of blasphemy.  The God-Man, on the other hand, never once rejected the authority and or position of Caiphas as being the valid high priest.  Interesting!
    Yes, Where is the connection?  

    You think the Jєωιѕн religion/high priest is equivalent to the Vicar of Christ, I suppose.
    1. Caiphas was genuine
    2. Francis is pseudo
    3. Caiphas represented the Jєωιѕн religion
    4. Francis represents the novus ordo religion

    When St. Peter as soon after he became pope, and wanted to change the plans of Jesus; Jesus called him Satan.  
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #18 on: September 05, 2017, 10:32:01 AM »
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  • He's using the transition from the Old to the New Testament to "totally destroy" the position of Sedevacantism. I'm surprised you don't see the relevance.
    Oh, you mean in the way the Jєωs were promised infallibility in matters of faith and morals?  Oh, wait.  God didn't give that promise to the Jєωs.

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #19 on: September 05, 2017, 10:35:45 AM »
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  • He's using the transition from the Old to the New Testament to "totally destroy" the position of Sedevacantism. I'm surprised you don't see the relevance. 
    1. I try really hard not to assume. 
    2. That someone else either assumes relevance or, even worse, implies pertinence that they know isn't there are very different things from the material actually being relevant.

    However, there is another possibility, namely that you're kidding and I'm not tracking your "tone"
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #20 on: September 05, 2017, 10:37:36 AM »
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  • And aside from that it seems the distinction between a bad, sinful Pope (still a Pope) and a heretic who parades around as a Pope (not even Catholic), is completely lost on them.
    That's a very... charitable(?) assessment, at least individually speaking.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #21 on: September 06, 2017, 09:28:44 PM »
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  • I think that everyone's given up.  

    I suppose the only thing to do now is to escape the exploding space ship in a lifepod and wait for the oxygen to run out.  


    I wouldn't call this despair.  God will win, ultimately.  But objectively speaking, I have my doubts that I'll live to see it in this life.  In the meantime, I expect to behold nothing but reckless, needless destruction until the end of my days.    
    My escape pod ran out of oxygen. Eastern Catholicism. There are none in my area now. 
    I find myself more and more at an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy. My soul is not accosted by people upturning a palm to receive Him at communion. There are no girl altar boys. They are chanting prayers before the Liturgy begins, and during. There is no hand holding during the Our Father. There are no drums or guitars. 
    Yes, there is no communion for me, but neither is there at a NO parish. I am too anguished to receive. Are there any holy priests left? We are but pilgrims in a land barren, God help us, Lord, have mercy on us.

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #22 on: September 06, 2017, 09:55:47 PM »
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  • I find myself more and more at an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy. My soul is not accosted by people upturning a palm to receive Him at communion. There are no girl altar boys. They are chanting prayers before the Liturgy begins, and during. 
    "This is the Holy Church, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting against all heresies. Fight it can; be fought down, it cannot.

    As for heresies, they all went out of it, like unprofitable branches pruned from the vine; but as for the Church, it abides in its Root, in its Vine, in its Charity

    ...

    Let us love our Lord God, let us love His Church: Him as a Father, her as a Mother; Him as Lord, her as His handmaid ...No man offends the one and wins the favor of the other.

     He will not have God for his Father who refuses the Church for his Mother. What does it profit you not to have offended your Father, since He will punish your offenses against your Mother? What does it profit you to praise the Lord, to honor Him, to preach Him, to believe on His Son and confess that He sits at the right hand of God the Father while, at the same time, you blaspheme His Church?

    ...

    No one can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Church you can find everything except salvation. You can have dignities, you can have Sacraments, you can sing "Alleluia," answer "Amen," have the Gospels, have faith in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and preach it, too. But never can you find salvation except in the Catholic Church."

     S. Augustine of Hippo
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #23 on: September 06, 2017, 10:02:14 PM »
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  • My escape pod ran out of oxygen. Eastern Catholicism. There are none in my area now.
    I find myself more and more at an Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy. My soul is not accosted by people upturning a palm to receive Him at communion. There are no girl altar boys. They are chanting prayers before the Liturgy begins, and during. There is no hand holding during the Our Father. There are no drums or guitars.
    Yes, there is no communion for me, but neither is there at a NO parish. I am too anguished to receive. Are there any holy priests left? We are but pilgrims in a land barren, God help us, Lord, have mercy on us.
    I hate to tell you this, but there are reports all over the internet about many of these abuses even in the Eastern Catholic churches.  I've seen pictures of Communion in the hand and altar girls.  I can say, though, that I've never heard of drums and guitars in the Eastern churches.

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #24 on: September 07, 2017, 01:47:46 PM »
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  • And aren't they required to accept the modernist code of canon law?

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #25 on: September 07, 2017, 01:48:16 PM »
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  • And aren't the eastern rites required to accept the modernist code of canon law?


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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #26 on: September 07, 2017, 02:00:03 PM »
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  • "This is the Holy Church..."
    You must have a different definition of 'holy'. All I have seen is unholy, since my family fled in 1969. 

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #27 on: September 07, 2017, 02:12:12 PM »
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  • You must have a different definition of 'holy'. All I have seen is unholy, since my family fled in 1969.
    1. I strongly suspect that you are both "preaching to the choir", and are unaware of doing so.
    2. Take it up with S. Augustine, he wrote the whollllllllllllle thing.
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #28 on: September 08, 2017, 03:40:01 PM »
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  • If only I could just see the light and become Protestant sedevacantist like you fellas.  
    You answered this question in your third paragraph. 
    Protestants deny Our Lord's Church, and Our Lord's Pope and Our Lord's Sacraments and Our Lord's Priests and, showing their own Protestant vanity, they mock Our Lord's Mother.  The Sedavacantists (correctly or incorrectly) see the current Chair Sitter as an imposter.  All other components are in place with the Sedevacantists whereas all other components are discarded by the Protestants.  Calling Sedevacantists "Protestants" so misses the mark that most Sedes would roll their eyes. 
    I did think TKGS was piling on with his comment and I view the SSPX stance as perfectly legitimate no matter how out of bounds the Novus Ordo becomes.

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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #29 on: September 16, 2017, 11:09:08 AM »
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  • Have you even tried to look at the evidence?  Have you talked with any sedevacantist clergy?  Or do you, as most anti-sedevacantists, simply taken it as a matter of faith that the Dimond Brothers speak for all sedevacantists or that "Pope Michael" is the example of sedevacantism par excellence?

    Before condemning sedevacantists as Protestants, perhaps you should consider the actual Protestantism of the Recognize and Resist beliefs which sift everything their pope says for signs of Catholicism and accept only what they want from their sure rule of faith and reject whatever you don't like.

    The problem begins when one set the question of the pope as the first question.  Sedevacantism is not the foundation; it is the logical conclusion of the question:  Is Vatican 2 Catholic?


    so simple and to the point.  Never seen it put so clearly in so few words.  Maybe he's the Pope, I just can't see how?