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Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
« on: September 05, 2017, 05:28:29 AM »
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    • I don't know why today of all days this strikes me.  

    However, it has occurred to me that we are members of a church of pedophiles and cocaine-fueled sodomite orgy-mongers.

    Furthermore, the manner in which we Traditionalists struggle to hold onto the thread of Catholicism that goes back to the beginning...can be likened to confederates wanting to split from a union of states, utilizing a constitution that clearly justified us.  

    The last century was one of endless missed opportunities.  I think that everyone's given up.  

    I suppose the only thing to do now is to escape the exploding space ship in a lifepod and wait for the oxygen to run out.  


    I wouldn't call this despair.  God will win, ultimately.  But objectively speaking, I have my doubts that I'll live to see it in this life.  In the meantime, I expect to behold nothing but reckless, needless destruction until the end of my days.    
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2017, 06:01:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 05:28:29 AM
    I don't know why today of all days this strikes me.  

    However, it has occurred to me that we are members of a church of pedophiles and cocaine-fueled sodomite orgy-mongers.

    Furthermore, the manner in which we Traditionalists struggle to hold onto the thread

      What "thread"? Which "we" and what "Church" could you possibly be talking about? 

    of Catholicism

      In light of just what you have written thus far I ask you, have you really, really really considered seriously the possibility that this horrible, tattered hag you have so far described, just might not be the Bride of Christ? Could the problem be one of misapprehension, of misidentification?

    that goes back to the beginning...can be likened to confederates wanting to split from a union of states, utilizing a constitution that clearly justified us.  

      As was their right, no? Oh right, might is right; alright. Regardless, which really better reflected and enacted the foundational principles of the country?

    The last century was one of endless missed opportunities.
     
     Such as?

    I think that everyone's given up. 

      Given up on what? Giving up what you depict would be like giving up drinking bleach.

    I suppose the only thing to do now is to escape the exploding space ship in a lifepod and wait for the oxygen to run out.  


    I wouldn't call this despair.

      Pretty horrid to think what despair would look like in that case.

     God will win, ultimately.

      How does either winning or losing apply to an Omni-being?

     But objectively speaking, I have my doubts that I'll live to see it in this life.  

      You'll see round triangles first.

    In the meantime, I expect to behold nothing but reckless, needless destruction until the end of my days. 

      It is a painful time. I just don't think pinning it on the Church is anywhere near the right answer though. Hope a puppy licks your nose or something, and ASAP. The Apostles saw God die, the earth quaked, and the sun went dark. 
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #2 on: September 05, 2017, 06:04:27 AM »
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    • You're right, DZ.  To Hell with me!
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #3 on: September 05, 2017, 06:25:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 05:28:29 AM
    I wouldn't call this despair.  God will win, ultimately.  But objectively speaking, I have my doubts that I'll live to see it in this life.  In the meantime, I expect to behold nothing but reckless, needless destruction until the end of my days.    
    I don't plan on seeing the restoration of the faith in my lifetime, all indications seem to point to the destruction continuing for a long time after I'm gone. Who knows how long before God stops the madness? Could go for many thousands of years for all we know. 

    At any rate, you might take a bit of solitude in this......

    ....no matter how much tragedy with which history is strewn, Christ moves towards His glorious triumph. With His resurrection was the announcement that He would have his victory, when He emerged from the tomb, He proved that there was no force, no power greater than He and He proved that if He was invincible, then that which He would establish is also invincible, namely His Church.

    It really does not matter therefore that throughout history the Church suffer terrific blows, that it at times – and these times almost have always prevailed – that the Church suffer it’s terrible embarrassments, it’s setbacks.

    Despite all this, despite all appearances and despite whatever losses, Christ is triumphing in the Church and He is proving His power, His invincibility and He is succeeding in doing what He came here to the world to achieve, and God the Father is fulfilling the promises of His creation.

    If it were not so, He would never have created anything to begin with. If it could be, that Almighty God could set in motion anything He did not command absolute power over, or out of which He could not draw whatever He wished, then He would never had done anything like that and He indeed would not be infinite in the first place.

    We have it in our power to participate or we have it in our choice to be turned away, it is strictly within our choice and whatever grace is necessary is within our grasp. - Fr. Wathen
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2017, 07:04:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 05:28:29 AM
    I don't know why today of all days this strikes me.  

    However, it has occurred to me that we are members of a church of pedophiles and cocaine-fueled sodomite orgy-mongers.
    Actually, the problem really is that many of you are members of a church of pedophiles and cocaine-fueled sodomite orgy-mongers.

    Those of us who aren't members of that church (actually, it's a Satanic sect) don't have the spiritual problems that you deal with.
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2017, 07:29:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on September 05, 2017, 07:04:08 AM
    Actually, the problem really is that many of you are members of a church of pedophiles and cocaine-fueled sodomite orgy-mongers.

    Those of us who aren't members of that church (actually, it's a Satanic sect) don't have the spiritual problems that you deal with.


    If only I could just see the light and become Protestant sedevacantist like you fellas.  
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #6 on: September 05, 2017, 07:34:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 07:29:14 AM

    If only I could just see the light and become Protestant sedevacantist like you fellas.  
    Guess you'll just have to remain a Protestant then, or is it "Roman Rite Freemason"?; it's so amorphous it's hard to tell sometimes.
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #7 on: September 05, 2017, 07:58:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 05, 2017, 07:38:40 AM
    I forget. Which of us has a "pope" who says protestants are somehow part of the Church?



    Clearly not the sedes...who have no pope whatsoever!   ::)
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #8 on: September 05, 2017, 08:00:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 05, 2017, 07:38:40 AM
    I forget. Which of us has a "pope" who says protestants are somehow part of the Church? 
    ...and aren't heretics 'any more'. 

    "Brother" Rodger (Shutz) even got an on the spot canonization from "Hitlerjugend Ben"

    Seems like Feygele Frank gets all school girl giddy at just the thought of Martin "95 Feces" Luther. 

    Hey, member that time when Francois was down on his knees getting "blessed" by Pastor Bob? How ecuмenical was that?

    Then there was that time when he denied God exists, or handwaved Hell by invoking "... the logic of the Gospel."

    Or wow, who can forget this pearl? "Proselytism is solemn nonsense; it makes no sense!"

    Mind those "sins of ecuмenism"

    Know what, I'm tired of the thought of dying alone. So what if I'm 'maybe' married. I can shack up and have a real union anyway! It could even be a dude! How 'cool' is that!

    Speaking of brokebutts, how sweet is it to see "His Holiness" practice Judaism, eh? Who doesn't love chopped liver, setting Jєωιѕн stuff on fire, and rutting with walls, ameyeright?

    Man, the "real church" is way better; all the cool kids are doin' it.
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #9 on: September 05, 2017, 08:01:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 07:58:31 AM


    Clearly not the sedes...who have no pope whatsoever!   ::)
    Well... yeah?
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #10 on: September 05, 2017, 08:28:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 07:29:14 AM
    If only I could just see the light and become Protestant sedevacantist like you fellas.  
    Have you even tried to look at the evidence?  Have you talked with any sedevacantist clergy?  Or do you, as most anti-sedevacantists, simply taken it as a matter of faith that the Dimond Brothers speak for all sedevacantists or that "Pope Michael" is the example of sedevacantism par excellence?

    Before condemning sedevacantists as Protestants, perhaps you should consider the actual Protestantism of the Recognize and Resist beliefs which sift everything their pope says for signs of Catholicism and accept only what they want from their sure rule of faith and reject whatever you don't like.

    The problem begins when one set the question of the pope as the first question.  Sedevacantism is not the foundation; it is the logical conclusion of the question:  Is Vatican 2 Catholic?
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #11 on: September 05, 2017, 08:37:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on September 05, 2017, 08:32:31 AM
    Well... yeah?

    It's come-backs like this that confirm the notion that they have no idea what they're arguing or saying.
    ..., or what "argument" is for that matter.

    "Orfunz gotz no parntz atawl!"

    Got a baby-to-bosom lock on sophisms though, and typically about as deliberate.
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #12 on: September 05, 2017, 08:45:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 05, 2017, 07:29:14 AM

    If only I could just see the light and become Protestant sedevacantist like you fellas.  
    You probably are a sedevacantist already, but just won't admit it!   The Truth will really set you free, try it!

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    Clearly not the sedes...who have no pope whatsoever!   
    We at least have the Papacy that we pledge our allegiance to, the NO ignores the past popes.
    We also have the Head of the Church, Jesus Christ who blesses us with peace of soul, something you seem to be searching for.
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    « Reply #13 on: September 05, 2017, 08:53:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: MyrnaM on September 05, 2017, 08:45:58 AM
    You probably are a sedevacantist already, but just won't admit it!   The Truth will really set you free, try it!
    He's a "Defectionist". No? Read that "exploding ship" bit again. 

    He believes in Pope Davey Jones. His "Ark" is the Titanic. 

    He believes, as evidenced by what he said, that the gates of hell either can, or will prevail. 

    "To Hell with me."
    Please Lord and Lady correct that course.  :pray:
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    Re: Benchmark moment for me in considerations about the Church
    « Reply #14 on: September 05, 2017, 08:54:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on September 05, 2017, 08:00:02 AM
    ...and aren't heretics 'any more'.

    "Brother" Rodger (Shutz) even got an on the spot canonization from "Hitlerjugend Ben"

    Seems like Feygele Frank gets all school girl giddy at just the thought of Martin "95 Feces" Luther.

    Hey, member that time when Francois was down on his knees getting "blessed" by Pastor Bob? How ecuмenical was that?

    Then there was that time when he denied God exists, or handwaved Hell by invoking "... the logic of the Gospel."

    Or wow, who can forget this pearl? "Proselytism is solemn nonsense; it makes no sense!"

    Mind those "sins of ecuмenism"

    Know what, I'm tired of the thought of dying alone. So what if I'm 'maybe' married. I can shack up and have a real union anyway! It could even be a dude! How 'cool' is that!

    Speaking of brokebutts, how sweet is it to see "His Holiness" practice Judaism, eh? Who doesn't love chopped liver, setting Jєωιѕн stuff on fire, and rutting with walls, ameyeright?

    Man, the "real church" is way better; all the cool kids are doin' it.
    Reminds me of the words

    "With friends like that, who needs enemies"
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