Author Topic: Being pro-white not a bad thing (Read 2483 times)

Matthew · « **on:** June 17, 2015, 11:35:37 PM »

I love this graphic -- hilarious and true!

MrYeZe · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2015, 12:19:04 AM »

And we all who started this anti-white sentiment, don't we?...oy vey!

BTNYC · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2015, 08:50:22 AM »

Eh... I'm with E. Michael Jones on this one. "White pride" is silly. It's a reaction against the Jєωιѕн "Black pride" movement. There is also a burgeoning "straight pride" movement (complete with black-and-white "straight pride" flags) which is just as ridiculous. These are reactions to movements that don't deserve to be dignified with reactions. These counter-"pride" movements are purely reactionary and defensive tactics in a war which we should be fighting 100% on the offensive.

Not to mention that "White" is, as Dr. Jones put it, a "pseudo-identity." I mean, what are "white" values? Those of Martin Luther? Thomas Jefferson? Galileo? Oliver Cromwell? Joseph Stalin? For many "white pride" advocates, the answer is a big resounding "yes." Well, as far as I'm concerned, you can have 'em, 'cause I sure don't want 'em.

Catholic culture is what matters. The acheivements of Catholic Europe are to be celebrated and emulated, because they are Catholic; not those of the Protestant revolt or the Enlightenment merely because they are "white." If you're Irish, German, Italian, Polish, etc, then take delight in those cultures and give thanks for them because they were all formed in and by Christendom. Don't be suckered by the meaningless "white" pseudo-identity which actually benefits our enemies because it makes us easier to manage (look at what happened to ethnic Catholic enclaves in America when they - or their children - all decided to flee to the suburbs and become "white guys" - goodbye Catholic culture, hello Americanized consumer demographic).

And let's not forget that "pride" is a sin in the first place.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2015, 10:30:12 AM »

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Eh... I'm with E. Michael Jones on this one. "White pride" is silly. It's a reaction against the Jєωιѕн "Black pride" movement. There is also a burgeoning "straight pride" movement (complete with black-and-white "straight pride" flags) which is just as ridiculous. These are reactions to movements that don't deserve to be dignified with reactions. These counter-"pride" movements are purely reactionary and defensive tactics in a war which we should be fighting 100% on the offensive.

The only reason it's reactionary now, was because it was suppressed to the point of virtual non-existence in the past. There's nothing wrong with having pride for your race.

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Not to mention that "White" is, as Dr. Jones put it, a "pseudo-identity." I mean, what are "white" values? Those of Martin Luther? Thomas Jefferson? Galileo? Oliver Cromwell? Joseph Stalin? For many "white pride" advocates, the answer is a big resounding "yes." Well, as far as I'm concerned, you can have 'em, 'cause I sure don't want 'em.

White values are European values, and many of them also vary between different European cultures. Though, it's not like it even matters, as white values can be whatever whites want them to be, including Catholicism, as it is with any any race.

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Catholic culture is what matters. The acheivements of Catholic Europe are to be celebrated and emulated, because they are Catholic; not those of the Protestant revolt or the Enlightenment merely because they are "white."

I agree that God should come before race, but suggesting that we shouldn't care at all about race mirrors the liberal assertion that race is just a social construct. Race is a real thing, and an important thing too, it's part of your ingrained identify.

BTNYC · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2015, 11:45:03 AM »

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White values are European values, and many of them also vary between different European cultures. Though, it's not like it even matters, as white values can be whatever whites want them to be, including Catholicism, as it is with any any race.

I agree that God should come before race, but suggesting that we shouldn't care at all about race mirrors the liberal assertion that race is just a social construct. Race is a real thing, and an important thing too, it's part of your ingrained identify.

Look at history. Did the Celts consider themselves the same "race" as the Lombards, or vice versa? Did the Britons, Franks, Goths, Saxons, Picts, Spartans, etc. consider themselves a single "race?" Of course not.

The problem here is a false conflation of "race" with "skin color," which is a modern construct. The only thing that fundamentally binds the European peoples together is the Faith. Europe was a product of the Church, not vice versa. By stating that "white values are whatever whites want them to be, including Catholicism," you've put the cart before the horse and made the Catholic Faith just one of any number of relatively good "white values" (which by definition would include heresies like Protestantism and its "Enlightenment" daughter errors).

Cult produces cultures. The Faith is our Foundation, not merely one of the "white values" we "choose."

"You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you."
St. John xv:xvi[/b]

BTNYC · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2015, 11:48:10 AM »

This is not to say I promote racial "color blindness." Far from it.

There's nothing wrong with marrying a spouse who looks more or less like you, or not wanting to live surrounded by people who don't look like you. These are natural and universal internal inclinations. but there's a whole world of difference between affirming those realities and constructing a system of "white pride," as though it is the color of one's skin that produces culture or defines races.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2015, 12:11:40 PM »

But, the color of one's skin 'does' define races. That's pretty much the entire point of it.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2015, 12:31:38 PM »

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Eh... I'm with E. Michael Jones on this one. "White pride" is silly. It's a reaction against the Jєωιѕн "Black pride" movement. There is also a burgeoning "straight pride" movement (complete with black-and-white "straight pride" flags) which is just as ridiculous. These are reactions to movements that don't deserve to be dignified with reactions. These counter-"pride" movements are purely reactionary and defensive tactics in a war which we should be fighting 100% on the offensive.
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Catholic culture is what matters.

I truly appreciate your ability to rise above all the noise and look down at it from a Catholic perspective.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2015, 02:50:03 PM »

The Charleston Shooting, what the media is not telling you:

A Plank of the Communist Party in the 1920's is to insist on absolute racial equality, and
spread class and racial hatred and divisions.

MrYeZe · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2015, 02:50:18 PM »

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I pray that our Lord may deliver us from our pride...pride goeth before destruction (Proverbs 16:18)

I mean reasonable pride, not undue pride.

BTNYC · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2015, 03:23:57 PM »

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But, the color of one's skin 'does' define races. That's pretty much the entire point of it.

Oh, it just "does," does it? According to whom? Darwinists? Phrenologists? National Socialists?

Certainly no one in antiquity. There was the Celtic race(s), the Germanic race(s), the Hellenic race(s), etc. The concept of a cohesive "white race" did not exist in antiquity, and certainly the notion of "white culture" was utterly unheard of.

So why should I subscribe to this silly modern racial paradigm that's useful mainly for American Protestants and European neo-pagans? I know my background - Irish and Maltese - two Catholic cultures, whose glories are inseperable from the Catholic Faith, both European to the core (despite the former being very fair-skinned and the latter being, on average, darker-skinned than many supposed "non-whites"). I have no need to attach my ego to the acheivments of German protestants or Swedish materialists, moreover I have no interest in it.

Why should I? When I visit my wife's Protestant relatives in Arkansas, I feel myself in alien, hostile territory, despite their being close to racially identical with the Irish half of my family. What "white culture" do I have in common with them? Should my heart swell with pride when they laud their white heroes, John Calvin, Thomas Jefferson and Billy Graham? When I talk of St. Pius V or Fr. Coughlin or Archbishop Lefebvre, they look at me as if I've passed gas at the dinnertable.

I feel infinitely more at home in the company of Catholic Arabs than I do in the company of my Scots-Irish Baptist inlaws. I speak from first-hand experience when I say that "white culture" is pure myth.

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2015, 03:35:58 PM »

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But, the color of one's skin 'does' define races. That's pretty much the entire point of it.

Oh, it just "does," does it? According to whom? Darwinists? Phrenologists? National Socialists?

Certainly no one in antiquity. There was the Celtic race(s), the Germanic race(s), the Hellenic race(s), etc. The concept of a cohesive "white race" did not exist in antiquity, and certainly the notion of "white culture" was utterly unheard of.

So why should I subscribe to this silly modern racial paradigm that's useful mainly for American Protestants and European neo-pagans? I know my background - Irish and Maltese - two Catholic cultures, whose glories are inseperable from the Catholic Faith, both European to the core (despite the former being very fair-skinned and the latter being, on average, darker-skinned than many supposed "non-whites"). I have no need to attach my ego to the acheivments of German protestants or Swedish materialists, moreover I have no interest in it.

Why should I? When I visit my wife's Protestant relatives in Arkansas, I feel myself in alien, hostile territory, despite their being close to racially identical with the Irish half of my family. What "white culture" do I have in common with them? Should my heart swell with pride when they laud their white heroes, John Calvin, Thomas Jefferson and Billy Graham? When I talk of St. Pius V or Fr. Coughlin or Archbishop Lefebvre, they look at me as if I've passed gas at the dinnertable.

I feel infinitely more at home in the company of Catholic Arabs than I do in the company of my Scots-Irish Baptist inlaws. I speak from first-hand experience when I say that "white culture" is pure myth.

I agree with Ladislaus -- I thank you for being able to see things so objectively. It's a rare gift that few possess.

You made some very good points in this thread.

I know I started the thread, but nevertheless I agree with virtually everything you've said.

I was mostly agreeing with the notion that being "pro-white" doesn't mean being "anti-black" or anti-any other race. Whites are treated differently than ANY other nation, people, or race.

If you're happy to be black, "good on you!" If you're happy to be white, "What's the matter with you?"
Quite the double-standard.

But I agree with your post above. I feel more at home in Seguin (a very Mexican city) with poorer families, 4 or 5 children, named after saints, and culturally Catholic, than I do in New Braunfels (a city settled by Germans), where the population better matches my race, but most of them are middle class, 0-2 children, named with trendy "last names" (like Hunter, Payton, Morgan), half of them Lutheran, etc.

B from A · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:25:11 PM »

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I agree with Ladislaus -- I thank you for being able to see things so objectively. It's a rare gift that few possess. … You made some very good points in this thread…. I know I started the thread, but nevertheless I agree with virtually everything you've said.

I'm assuming you meant BTNYC, though Ladislaus agreed with him too. As do I. Good posts.

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When I talk of St. Pius V or Fr. Coughlin or Archbishop Lefebvre, they look at me as if I've passed gas at the dinnertable.

And sometimes amusing too! :smile:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:53:57 PM »

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I feel infinitely more at home in the company of Catholic Arabs than I do in the company of my Scots-Irish Baptist inlaws. I speak from first-hand experience when I say that "white culture" is pure myth.

This sums it up beautifully. One of my best friends in life was a Black man who was an exceptional Catholic. I've regularly attended Maronite and Chaldean Catholic Rites and have felt perfectly at home. I consider them my brothers in the Lord whereas I feel no relationship whatsoever to the WASP. That's one of the most beautiful things about the Catholic Church, especially before Vatican II. I could go into the deepest heart of Zimbabwe and attend a Latin Tridentine Mass and know that I was home, and that we are all one family and one body. Of course, now, after V2, I'm not sure when I walk into a church labelled "Catholic" whether I'm in for a Santeria ritual, Buddhist meditation, heavy metal, or clowns and balloons.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 18, 2015, 05:56:13 PM »

Speaking of clowns, no matter what I post here on CI, there's some bitter fool stalking me and providing automatic downthumbs while adjacent posts which say the same thing are ignored. Most likely some bitter SV with whom I've locked horns in the Crisis section.

I get downdumbed for a post that says only --

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I truly appreciate your ability to rise above all the noise and look down at it from a Catholic perspective.

... whereas four other people who went into even more elaborate praise of the same post were left alone.

Reveal yourself, cowardly clown !