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Being a Catholic
« on: October 07, 2017, 08:15:56 PM »
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  • After some recent comments I felt that I needed to make this thread.

    What exactly does it mean being a Catholic? Does it mean judging all others who are not? Does it mean putting down any other denomination? Putting down and hating on other religions too? How about people from different races? 

    I would most certainly hope that your definition and understanding of the concept of Catholicism does not encourage the aforementioned hypocrisies. 

    We are supposed to walk in the path that Jesus has shown us, furthermore, as part of a community, we are supposed to help and support each other.

    Try to open your heart before opening your mouth, believe me it will be to the benefit of yourself and those around you.

    As Jesus walked through Crusifiction carrying his cross he was judged, his followers were absent and those whom he helped were not there to help him. What did you learn from that? Nothing? His sacrifice went in vain?

    Let's try to all be better Catholics, instead of giving reason for those who oppose our ways to oppose it even more so.

    Ignorance and closed-mindedness has no place with Jesus. That is fertile soil for evil to take place, for hate to groom the ground.

    Once again, i encourage everyone to open their hearts and their minds before opening their mouths. I will try my best to do the same.

    Thank you for listening. Have a wonderful day!
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 08:41:01 PM »
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    It sounds to me you're not going to respond to replies. I hope that's a misinterpretation.
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    Your tone is attractive, and I don't think I've seen such an outlook on any previous thread on CI. Doesn't mean there isn't one but I've not seen one.
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    So it's a welcome OP, for starters.
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    There was a time, like hundreds of years ago, when all Catholics were taught that non-Catholics could not be saved from eternal damnation. 
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    What do you think of that?
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 10:06:23 PM »
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  • After some recent comments I felt that I needed to make this thread.

    What exactly does it mean being a Catholic? 

    We are supposed to walk in the path that Jesus has shown us, furthermore, as part of a community, we are supposed to help and support each other.

    Try to open your heart before opening your mouth, believe me it will be to the benefit of yourself and those around you.
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    I thought about what you wrote here and it reminded me of something that happened to me. A group of 3 young ladies came walking up to me in my neighborhood, smiling and friendly. Immediately I asked them if they're Mormons (they had that look about them) and they frankly replied that they are. 
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    A short conversation ensued, during which I asked them a question that they answered as frankly as the first one (if they're Mormons). They had told me they were encouraging me, as well as everyone they meet today, to learn about Jesus Christ, and to do so, they suggest reading their Book of Mormon. So I asked them if they could answer a question I have about the Jesus in their book. They said, "Of course you can ask." I asked them if this Jesus in their book has a brother named "Satan." They frankly, and with absolutely blank expressions which could best be described as "poker faces" replied, "Yes, his brother's name is Satan." 
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    Therefore, I attempted to replicate their poker face look, and in as flat a tone as possible (I might have failed, though) I told them that this so-called Jesus in their book is a fake Jesus, because the real Jesus has no brother named Satan. "Furthermore," I added, "When we die" (hand to chest indicating me as a male adult) "we do not have the chance of becoming a god the father in some remote solar system." I quickly surveyed the faces on all 3 of these ladies, to find they were appearing to listen intently, but they gave no hint of being surprised or in any way touched emotionally.
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    Bottom line: Tell me if I did the wrong thing. Was I too harsh on them? Is their way as good as mine? Did I waste my time? Did I learn anything? Did they learn anything? Should I have said "father god" instead of "god the father?"
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    I forgot to mention one girl was from Ohio, one from Utah and the third from Texas, and here they are in Los Angeles, looking healthy, clean, dressed like the locals, well fed, and driving a late model compact car. IOW I suspect someone is paying their bills.
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2017, 10:12:57 PM »
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  • After some recent comments I felt that I needed to make this thread.

    What exactly does it mean being a Catholic? Does it mean judging all others who are not? Does it mean putting down any other denomination? Putting down and hating on other religions too? How about people from different races?

    I would most certainly hope that your definition and understanding of the concept of Catholicism does not encourage the aforementioned hypocrisies.

    We are supposed to walk in the path that Jesus has shown us, furthermore, as part of a community, we are supposed to help and support each other.

    Try to open your heart before opening your mouth, believe me it will be to the benefit of yourself and those around you.

    As Jesus walked through Crusifiction carrying his cross he was judged, his followers were absent and those whom he helped were not there to help him. What did you learn from that? Nothing? His sacrifice went in vain?

    Let's try to all be better Catholics, instead of giving reason for those who oppose our ways to oppose it even more so.

    Ignorance and closed-mindedness has no place with Jesus. That is fertile soil for evil to take place, for hate to groom the ground.

    Once again, i encourage everyone to open their hearts and their minds before opening their mouths. I will try my best to do the same.

    Thank you for listening. Have a wonderful day!
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2017, 10:37:04 PM »
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    After some recent comments I felt that I needed to make this thread.

    >> After this commentary, I felt the need to make for the loo.

    What exactly does it mean being a Catholic?

    >> I dunno, what does "EWTN" say? (@@)

    Does it mean judging all others who are not?

    >> No, but it does mean assessing and judging others who say things like the above, esp. womanish usage of words like "all"; is this that "pro multis" thing again? Would somebody please drive a stake through Old Yeller's heart, cut off his head, and burn him to ash please?

     Does it mean putting down any other

    >> "... other..."? Wow, you really don't know what it means then.

    denomination? Putting down and hating on other religions too?

    >> "The gods of the pagans are devils", e.g., hardly seems a clarion call Tequila and Tango.

     How about people from different races?

    >> What, you mean like Andromedans and Tau Cetians?

    I would most certainly hope that your definition and understanding of the concept


    >> It would take at least a dissertation to even begin to dent a buck loaded rack of words such as this? Relativistic, subjectivist  reek is nigh overpowering, as it is meant to be.

    of Catholicism does not encourage the aforementioned hypocrisies.

    >> Clarify "... hypocrisies" please.

    We are supposed to walk in the path that Jesus has shown us,

    >> Ah ah ah, careful you don't hate on other religions and denominations. Also, why? What's the big deal? What if we don't?

    furthermore, as part of a community,

    >> or, cutting the crap, of a collective

    we are supposed to help and support each other.

    >> and we will like it or not, even if it requires the "encouragement" of the gulag.

    Try to open your heart

    >> Try standing up to pee.

    before opening your mouth,

    >> Likewise. YOu should link up with Poche, you dudes will be pinkie-walking BFFs instantaneously. Sheol mates even.

    believe me

    >> No.

     it will be to the benefit of yourself and those around you.

    >> So sayeth the central committee...

    As Jesus walked through Crusifiction carrying his cross he was judged, his followers were absent and those whom he helped were not there to help him. What did you learn from that? Nothing? His sacrifice went in vain?

    >> Drowning is estrogen here. Manipulate much? Leave it to actual girls, because...

    Let's try to all be better Catholics,

    >> Again, why be CAtholic at all?

    instead of giving reason for those who oppose our ways to oppose it even more so.

    >> such as, for example, being a bongo slapping, pseudo-ecclesial neo-hippie?

    Ignorance and closed-mindedness has no place with Jesus.

    >> What an incredibly ignorant and closed-minded thing to say.

    That is fertile soil for evil to take place,

    >> No kidding?

     for hate to groom the ground.

    >> Why all the hate hayt?

    Once again, i encourage everyone to open their hearts

    >> Just "carte blanche" Seems like such as S. Ignatius, Thomas a' Kempis, exorcists, the Inquisition etc. had a wee bit different "take" on things here.

    and their minds

    >> ...and here

     before opening their mouths.

    >> that way brain and heart are primed to promptly fall out.

    I will try my best to do the same.

    Thank you for listening. Have a wonderful day!

    >> "Bless yore heart!"
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2017, 12:50:44 AM »
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    And when the apostle spoke about trials in regard to secular affairs (and what were these but matters of money?), he says: "Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go tolaw before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life? If, then, ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the Church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? No, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goes to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another: why do ye not rather take wrong? Why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?"
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 12:53:59 AM »
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2017, 01:08:01 AM »
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  • What does it say when the enemy's firing the gates, and a brother(?) wants to have them in for tea?

    "But they're not enemies!", or the like, says more than enough.

    Either as a madman or a traitor, this would be host to the hordes should be locked up at the very least.

    s.a., e.g., John XXIII and "Vatican 2", "Assisi" and JPII, "Assisi" and B16 etc., etc.
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2017, 07:31:17 PM »
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    It sounds to me you're not going to respond to replies. I hope that's a misinterpretation.
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    Apparently it was not a misinterpretation, after all.
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #10 on: October 09, 2017, 10:53:19 PM »
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  • After some recent comments I felt that I needed to make this thread.

    What exactly does it mean being a Catholic? Does it mean judging all others who are not?[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." -John 3:5[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned." -Mark 16:16[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." -Luke 11:23[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"If you love me, keep my commandments." -John 14:15[/color]

    Does it mean putting down any other denomination? Putting down and hating on other religions too?"[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils: but the Lord made the heavens" -Psalm 95:5[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith; which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly." -Athanasian Creed[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"There is indeed one universal church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved" - Fourth Lateran Council[/color]


    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jєωs or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives...and that nobody can be saved,no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." -Council of Florence [/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"It must be held by faith that outside the Apostolic Roman Church, no one can be saved; that this is the only ark of salvation; that he who shall not have entered therein will perish in the flood. -Pope Pius IX[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"It is a sin to believe that there is salvation outside the Catholic Church!" -Pope Pius IX[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." condemned as an error - Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation." condemned as an error - Syllabus of Errors [/color]


    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained." -Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos[/color]


    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Also perverse is the shocking theory that it makes no difference to which religion one belongs, a theory which is greatly at variance even with reason. By means of this theory, those crafty men remove all distinction between virtue and vice, truth and error, honorable and vile action. They pretend that men can gain eternal salvation by the practice of any religion, as if there could ever be any sharing between justice and iniquity,any collaboration between light and darkness, or any agreement between Christ and Belial." -Pope Pius IX, Qui Pluribus[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]  "[/color][color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]Thus the man, so long as he lives on the body of the Church, he is a Christian; separated from her, he becomes a heretic" - Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum[/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics; for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it" -Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos [/color]

    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"Such is the nature of the Catholic faith that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole, or as a whole rejected: This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved." -Pope Benedict XV [/color]


    [color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]"He who has turned his back on the Church of Christ shall not come to the rewards of Christ; he is an alien, a worldling, an enemy. You cannot have God for your Father if you have not the Church for your mother." -Saint Cyprian [/color]How about people from different races? 
    Of course not. 
    I would most certainly hope that your definition and understanding of the concept of Catholicism does not encourage the aforementioned hypocrisies. 

    We are supposed to walk in the path that Jesus has shown us, furthermore, as part of a community, we are supposed to help and support each other.

    Try to open your heart before opening your mouth, believe me it will be to the benefit of yourself and those around you.

    As Jesus walked through Crusifiction carrying his cross he was judged, his followers were absent and those whom he helped were not there to help him. What did you learn from that? Nothing? His sacrifice went in vain?

    Let's try to all be better Catholics, instead of giving reason for those who oppose our ways to oppose it even more so.

    Ignorance and closed-mindedness has no place with Jesus. That is fertile soil for evil to take place, for hate to groom the ground.
    Ignorance to what? I guess Jesus is too "closed minded" for you: "[color=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87)]He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters." -Luke 11:23[/color]
    Once again, i encourage everyone to open their hearts and their minds before opening their mouths. I will try my best to do the same.  
    Agreed.
    Thank you for listening. Have a wonderful day! 
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2017, 06:33:36 AM »
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    It sounds to me you're not going to respond to replies. I hope that's a misinterpretation.
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    Your tone is attractive, and I don't think I've seen such an outlook on any previous thread on CI. Doesn't mean there isn't one but I've not seen one.
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    So it's a welcome OP, for starters.
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    There was a time, like hundreds of years ago, when all Catholics were taught that non-Catholics could not be saved from eternal damnation.
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    What do you think of that?
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    I think that is separatists ideology that served its purpose and higher agenda for the rulers of that time. Follow the teachings of Jesus, he did not exclude anybody from his teachings, he did not curse anybody who did not follow his teachings, so why should we think otherwise? Do we know better than Jesus did what Catholicizm or Christianity is all about? None of us ever did nor ever will make a bigger sacrifice than he did.
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2017, 06:36:31 AM »
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    I thought about what you wrote here and it reminded me of something that happened to me. A group of 3 young ladies came walking up to me in my neighborhood, smiling and friendly. Immediately I asked them if they're Mormons (they had that look about them) and they frankly replied that they are.
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    A short conversation ensued, during which I asked them a question that they answered as frankly as the first one (if they're Mormons). They had told me they were encouraging me, as well as everyone they meet today, to learn about Jesus Christ, and to do so, they suggest reading their Book of Mormon. So I asked them if they could answer a question I have about the Jesus in their book. They said, "Of course you can ask." I asked them if this Jesus in their book has a brother named "Satan." They frankly, and with absolutely blank expressions which could best be described as "poker faces" replied, "Yes, his brother's name is Satan."
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    Therefore, I attempted to replicate their poker face look, and in as flat a tone as possible (I might have failed, though) I told them that this so-called Jesus in their book is a fake Jesus, because the real Jesus has no brother named Satan. "Furthermore," I added, "When we die" (hand to chest indicating me as a male adult) "we do not have the chance of becoming a god the father in some remote solar system." I quickly surveyed the faces on all 3 of these ladies, to find they were appearing to listen intently, but they gave no hint of being surprised or in any way touched emotionally.
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    Bottom line: Tell me if I did the wrong thing. Was I too harsh on them? Is their way as good as mine? Did I waste my time? Did I learn anything? Did they learn anything? Should I have said "father god" instead of "god the father?"
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    I forgot to mention one girl was from Ohio, one from Utah and the third from Texas, and here they are in Los Angeles, looking healthy, clean, dressed like the locals, well fed, and driving a late model compact car. IOW I suspect someone is paying their bills.
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    I cant tell you if what you did was right or not, that is to be decided by yourself. I can tell you what i would have done in your situation, i can also tell you that in my opinion, you cannot "know" Jesus from any book you may pick up (and sure this will get me even more haters, but that is the truth) you can only know Jesus through your heart.
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2017, 06:40:01 AM »
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    Apparently it was not a misinterpretation, after all.
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    I am responding to replies, i just have a life outside of this forum :D I also will chose not to respond to replies that are pointless like those of DC dude, who seems to only propagate hate with no other basis than his own egocentric ideology of exclusivity and narcissism.
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    Re: Being a Catholic
    « Reply #14 on: October 10, 2017, 06:40:22 AM »
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  • I think that is separatists ideology

    >> Specify pls.

     that served its purpose and higher agenda for the rulers of that time. Follow the teachings of Jesus, he did not exclude anybody from his teachings,

    >> As distinct from and opposed to those who exclude themselves.

    he did not curse anybody who did not follow his teachings,

    >> As distinct from and opposed to those who curse themselves. "Depart from Me, ye accursed!"

    so why should we think otherwise?

    >> So that we aren't among those self-excluded and self-accursed.

    Do we know better than Jesus did what Catholicizm or Christianity is all about?

    >> Do you know better than to say such?

    None of us ever did nor ever will make a bigger sacrifice than he did.

    >> As distinct from being part of it ala, v.g., S. Paul the Apostle.
    "Lord, have mercy".