Author Topic: Battle Lines are being Drawn (Read 1058 times)

TheD · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2009, 10:00:59 AM »

God bless the Holy Father and God bless the good Bishop! I am ready for a global crusade against Husein Obama and his socialist-zionist allies!

Dawn · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2009, 10:37:43 AM »

I just read an interesting article that stated the name Obama is Persian for he is with us. With his recent lifting of the bans on abortion I thought Obama translated to Herod. Either way is is a devil that is with us.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2009, 10:55:10 AM »

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I am ready for a global crusade against Husein Obama and his socialist-zionist allies!

Go get 'em, Tiger! If you think B16 will be with ya, more power to ya.

roscoe · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2009, 12:39:33 PM »

Is it just me or does anyone else see something strange in that the conciliation and the h0Ɩ0cαųst controversy seem to have surfaced at the same time.

Adesto · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2009, 02:02:12 PM »

There is something strange about it, but there could be a number of reasons/answers.

Perhaps the Swedish media was hanging on to the interview in order to use it at the most opportune time. If they got wind of the rumour about the excommunications being lifted, doubtless they wanted to use the "scandal" to prevent the decree, or, failing that, to harm the image of the Pope.

Don't forget that the decree comes after over a million Rosaries were offered up for that intention. First we prayed for the Moto Proprio, then we prayed for the lifting of the excommunications. Both were granted. Just as it is clear that the decree is a direct result of Our Lady's grace, so it would be equally fitting were the powers of darkness to try everything to cause trouble for the Society and the Holy Father. The devil is doubtless trying to "get at" the Society in any way he can.

Also, the decree was signed in spite of "threats" from the ADL. This made the act an even braver one, given that the Holy Father must have known the response his actions would provoke in the media. Perhaps he will have to suffer much for his decision. Perhaps Bishop Williamson will, too.

At any rate, it is definitely a case of the "battle lines being drawn". Bishop Fellay says this:

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Dear faithful, the Church is in the hands of her Mother, the Most Blessed Virgin Mary. In Her we place our confidence. We have asked from her the freedom of the Mass of all time everywhere and for all. We have asked from her the withdrawal of the decree of excommunications. In our prayers, we now ask from her the necessary doctrinal clarifications which confused souls so much need.

Now we pray for the doctrinal clarifications. Bit by bit, Our Lady's Immaculate Heart will triumph.

Dawn · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2009, 03:18:39 PM »

Roscoe, indeed. Williamson will be sacrificed by Fellay to be accepted by the Ecuмenical Benedict. Also, Benedict will show his "brothers" the Jєωs that he will not tolerate such thinking in HIS Church by anyone. Even putting a 68 year old man in jail. And, somehow it is just another link in the chain for the Jєωs and Judaizers to enslave us with. And, sorry for any who thought Benedict was turning away from the falseness of Vatican II by removing these excommunications that never really were in the first place, wrong! He stated today in his telecast on EWTN that he is celebrating the anniversary of Vatican II.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2009, 04:07:34 PM »

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Is it just me or does anyone else see something strange in that the conciliation and the h0Ɩ0cαųst controversy seem to have surfaced at the same time.

And just as the Judaics are on the offensive in the ME.

Adesto · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2009, 06:37:51 PM »

From Bishop Williamson, on the new Decree:

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The "Re-Incommunication"

Eleison Comments LXXXII

As of course a large number of readers already know, a Decree dated Jan. 21 from the Congregation of Bishops in Rome (not Ecclesia Dei) "remitted" the "excommunicating" Decree of July 1, 1988, so that the four Society of St. Pius X bishops then declared to be "excommunicated" are now "re-incommunicated". In my opinion this latter Decree is a great step forward for the Church without being a betrayal on the part of the SSPX.

It is a great step forward for the Church because if the Church's problem ever since Vatican II has been a separation of Catholic Authority from Catholic Truth, with this Decree Catholic Authority has taken a decisive step back towards their re-union. Just as after the Motu Proprio of July, 2007, nobody could any longer say that the true rite of Mass was banned by Rome, even if they can still behave as though it is, so too now nobody can any longer say that Catholics holding to Tradition are "outside the Church". Certainly a number of Conciliarists will go on behaving as though they are, but they clearly no longer have the Pope on their side only. The difference is enormous!

Of course there is still a long way to go before the neo-modernists in Rome, conscious or unconscious, realize - if ever! - how they mistake the Faith, but as the old proverb says, "Rome was not built in a day", and it will not be repaired in a day. Nevertheless "Half a loaf is better than no bread" - ask a hungry man! - so meanwhile let us know how to thank God for this major shift of the rudder of the Conciliar Church. Let us then thank the Blessed Virgin Mary whose intervention will have been decisive, thanks to the nigh on one and three quarter million rosaries offered to her for this intention, by a number of yourselves amongst others. And let us thank and pray for Benedict XVI and all his collaborators who helped to push through this Decree, despite, for instance, a media uproar orchestrated and timed to prevent it.

However, by asking for and accepting such reconciliation with the Conciliar Church, is not the SSPX threatening to lead the way back into Conciliarism? In no way! No doubt some Conciliarists in Rome are hoping that the Decree will serve to draw the SSPX back into the fold of Vatican II, but the Decree itself, as it stands, commits the Society to nothing more than to entering into those discussions to which the Society committed itself in 2000 when it proposed the liberation of the Mass and the ending of the "excommunications" as preconditions in the first place.

Then are such discussions without danger? Certainly not! But St. Peter says we should always be "ready to satisfy every one that asks you for a reason of that hope which is in you" (I Pet. III, 15). How can the SSPX not rejoice in the opportunity to lay out in Rome, before the Roman authorities themselves, the profound doctrinal reasons which we believe to be at the root of the Church's present distress? Woe unto us Catholics of Tradition if we were not ready to give reason for that hope which is in us for the rescue of the Church! So continue to pray the Rosary, dear Catholics, for the possible realization and outcome of such discussions, so that they may serve first, last and foremost, the interests of God, of God, of God. Kyrie eleison.

La Reja, Argentina

Posted by Bishop Richard Williamson

Adesto · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2009, 03:32:47 AM »

Sorry Chant, I didn't see you'd already posted this in another thread!

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2009, 05:33:23 AM »

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How can the SSPX not rejoice in the opportunity to lay out in Rome, before the Roman authorities themselves, the profound doctrinal reasons which we believe to be at the root of the Church's present distress? Woe unto us Catholics of Tradition if we were not ready to give reason for that hope which is in us for the rescue of the Church!

Well, if those who go before the Sanhedrin of modern Rome forget that they are addressing pharisaical vipers - not fellow men of God - it could be disastrous.

Prudence tells us when to be a lamb, and when to be a lion. With the rank and file of His day, our Lord was all lamb; with the vipers in charge, ALL lion. With the vipers of modern Rome, anything smelling of lamb will be devoured. If one is not going to get in their faces, do not even bother approaching.