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Offline Last Tradhican

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Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
« on: June 07, 2018, 08:24:34 AM »
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    • Where I live there are a lot of Latinos who are baptized Catholics that go to Protestant assembly halls at least every Wednesday and Sunday and are always talking about the bible. I have found most of them are divorced and re-married. It appears to me that the primary reason they became "conveniently religious" is to hold on to their spouse. Take a notice next time you run into the situation, they are all divorcees.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2018, 08:52:58 AM »
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    • More souls go to hell from sins of the flesh than for any other reason, according to Our Lady of Fatima.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #2 on: June 07, 2018, 10:49:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 07, 2018, 08:24:34 AM
    Where I live there are a lot of Latinos who are baptized Catholics that go to Protestant assembly halls at least every Wednesday and Sunday and are always talking about the bible. I have found most of them are divorced and re-married. It appears to me that the primary reason they became "conveniently religious" is to hold on to their spouse. Take a notice next time you run into the situation, they are all divorcees.

    You are correct.  I have called many of them out.  I've run across former Catholics who were promoting Protestantism and hostile towards Catholicism in various contexts (in person or on message boards).  I usually get blunt --

    "So, let me guess.  You rejected Catholicism in favor of Protestantism because either 1) you wanted to get divorced and remarried or 2) you had some problem with Confession."  They never deny this.

    It's ALWAYS one of those two things and not because they objectively found errors in Catholic theology.  They merely convince themselves of these things AFTER THE FACT in order to rationalize and justify their abandonment of the Church.  And they get really hostile towards the Church precisely because deep down their consciences know this, so they rage against the goads of their conscience, trying to silence it with their hostility towards Catholicism.

    This is why Protestantism appeals to people over Catholicism, and it's the only reason ... and it's why various forms of Protestantism were created in the first place (from Luther to Henry VIII).  Protestantism holds that sin is irrelevant and that you just waive your hand around saying "Jesus" and you're saved.  You pay lip service to Jesus being your personal savior, but then live your life however you want and commit whatever sins you want.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #3 on: June 07, 2018, 10:52:15 AM »
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    • I would be surprised if you got people honest enough to admit this, Ladislaus. Usually people hide behind the facade of excuses/reasons they created after the fact.
    If you argue convincingly against their Protestant theology, they will likely get emotional and angry -- but would they really admit their true motivation?

    I did have an apostate cousin who admitted being a Trad Catholic was "hard" and he also never bothered with protestantism -- he went right to hedonism/worldly lifestyle. He actually said that if any were true, it would be Catholicism. Part of him still has a respect for Catholicism. It's sad and scary for his salvation.

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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #4 on: June 07, 2018, 10:54:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 07, 2018, 10:52:15 AM
    I would be surprised if you got people honest enough to admit this, Ladislaus. Usually people hide behind the facade of excuses/reasons they created after the fact.

    They'll never admit that it's ULTIMATELY WHY they left Catholicism.  They cite the usual anti-Catholics slurs of the Protestants.  But they never deny that they're divorced/remarried or else had some problem with sin and Confession, and that this was the initial impetus for their leaving.  None of them ever say, "You're completely wrong.  I've been married to the same man/woman my entire life and Confession didn't bother me."  At best they fall silent and don't refute my allegation, and I take that as a tacit admission that the shoe fits.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #5 on: June 07, 2018, 10:55:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 07, 2018, 10:52:15 AM
    I did have an apostate cousin who admitted being a Trad Catholic was "hard" and he also never bothered with protestantism -- he went right to hedonism/worldly lifestyle. He actually said that if any were true, it would be Catholicism. Part of him still has a respect for Catholicism. It's sad and scary for his salvation.

    Yeah, some people are honest with themselves.  Others try to have their cake and eat it too, wanting to pretend that they'll be saved despite their attachments to sin.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #6 on: June 07, 2018, 11:05:50 AM »
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    • Everyone on CathInfo should read "The Sinner's Return to God", specifically the chapter on impurity. It made an impression on me that I never forgot.

    My takeaway: if you got impurity beat, you have 1 foot and two hands already in heaven (just about).
    There was a man on his deathbed who had NO attachments to sin that he wasn't willing to confess and break from -- except his mistress. His confessor had to refuse absolution because of this one sin he wasn't willing to renounce. He was on his deathbed -- his body was failing. It wasn't like he was going to have sex again with her anyhow! He died embracing his mistress and presumably went to hell.

    If only this were a rare thing, but in my experience this is quite common in human nature. Impurity is the BIG one.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #7 on: June 07, 2018, 11:14:28 AM »
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    • What's scary is the "attachment" aspect of irregular/false marriages. You get involved with a person, you get used to them, you fear being alone (if your original wife won't take you back), you might have a new house and mortgage with the new wife, perhaps she works a good job and your old wife didn't make nearly as much. What would you do?

    When a person divorces, remarrying is almost a given for two reasons: loneliness, and the ROOMMATE aspect. Young people -- at least the practical and thrifty ones -- often want a roommate, because it's not economical to live by oneself. Having one other income earner living with you means you can live much better, and have some money left over at the end of each month.

    If a man divorced his wife and remarried a woman who earned more, he would upgrade his lifestyle. I know several men who have done this. Especially when this is done later in life, the couple usually leads a "DINK" lifestyle (Double-Income-No-Kids) because the kids are all grown. And for those who can't guess, DINKs usually live very well. Upscale neighborhoods, lots of freedom to see the world, all the luxuries and gadgets money can buy, eat out every day, you name it. When you have no kids to support and two incomes, it's hard to worry about money unless you're horrible with money or something.

    If a priest were to argue with him or try to convince him to go to confession, he would not only have to come to terms with his own sinfulness and repent, but would also have some major life changes to make! He'd have to MOVE, probably into a much lower-end home, he'd have to CIVILLY DIVORCE his existing fake wife and have legal expenses and lose much of his assets, etc. And what about all of their mutual friends they've made over the years? The people they invited over

    And if it's the woman who used to be Catholic, it's even worse -- her new "husband" would be supporting her, and she would have to find a job or someone else to support her, possibly not as well as her current "husband".

    It's a mess!
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #8 on: June 07, 2018, 11:16:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 07, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
    Everyone on CathInfo should read "The Sinner's Return to God", specifically the chapter on impurity. It made an impression on me that I never forgot.

    My takeaway: if you got impurity beat, you have 1 foot and two hands already in heaven (just about).
    There was a man on his deathbed who had NO attachments to sin that he wasn't willing to confess and break from -- except his mistress. His confessor had to refuse absolution because of this one sin he wasn't willing to renounce. He was on his deathbed -- his body was failing. It wasn't like he was going to have sex again with her anyhow! He died embracing his mistress and presumably went to hell.

    If only this were a rare thing, but in my experience this is quite common in human nature. Impurity is the BIG one.
    Avery good little book.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #9 on: June 07, 2018, 11:39:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 07, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
    Yeah, some people are honest with themselves.  Others try to have their cake and eat it too, wanting to pretend that they'll be saved despite their attachments to sin.
    There's no need for them taking up any religion once they drop Catholicism, my conclusion is:  that it appears to me that the primary reason they became "conveniently religious" is to have some kind of a moral structure in place to hold on to their spouse.  
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #10 on: June 07, 2018, 12:36:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on June 07, 2018, 11:39:14 AM
    There's no need for them taking up any religion once they drop Catholicism, my conclusion is:  that it appears to me that the primary reason they became "conveniently religious" is to have some kind of a moral structure in place to hold on to their spouse.  
    I think they likely fall into the same trap Martin Luther et al. fell into. They realise they can't(read: won't) give up their sins, so they kid themselves into thinking their sins don't really matter.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #11 on: June 07, 2018, 12:49:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on June 07, 2018, 12:36:28 PM
    I think they likely fall into the same trap Martin Luther et al. fell into. They realise they can't(read: won't) give up their sins, so they kid themselves into thinking their sins don't really matter.

    Exactly.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #12 on: June 07, 2018, 03:10:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on June 07, 2018, 12:36:28 PM
    I think they likely fall into the same trap Martin Luther et al. fell into. They realise they can't(read: won't) give up their sins, so they kid themselves into thinking their sins don't really matter.
    You got it.
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #13 on: June 07, 2018, 03:39:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 07, 2018, 10:49:42 AM
    You are correct.  I have called many of them out.  I've run across former Catholics who were promoting Protestantism and hostile towards Catholicism in various contexts (in person or on message boards).  I usually get blunt --

    "So, let me guess.  You rejected Catholicism in favor of Protestantism because either 1) you wanted to get divorced and remarried or 2) you had some problem with Confession."  They never deny this.

    It's ALWAYS one of those two things and not because they objectively found errors in Catholic theology.  They merely convince themselves of these things AFTER THE FACT in order to rationalize and justify their abandonment of the Church.  And they get really hostile towards the Church precisely because deep down their consciences know this, so they rage against the goads of their conscience, trying to silence it with their hostility towards Catholicism.

    This is why Protestantism appeals to people over Catholicism, and it's the only reason ... and it's why various forms of Protestantism were created in the first place (from Luther to Henry VIII).  Protestantism holds that sin is irrelevant and that you just waive your hand around saying "Jesus" and you're saved.  You pay lip service to Jesus being your personal savior, but then live your life however you want and commit whatever sins you want.
    That's a big overstatement. Certainly a large number of Evangelicals act like this, but it's unfair to say that this is the mentality of all Protestants. I have a number of High-Church Anglican/Lutheran friends, and they are often closer to us than many Novus Ordites. Read Richard Hooker, Bishop Butler,  Edward Pusey, R. L Dabney, etc. You can't make a blanket statement like that about such a large group of people 
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    Re: Baptized Catholic Protestants are Divorcees
    « Reply #14 on: June 07, 2018, 06:15:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Banezian on June 07, 2018, 03:39:55 PM
    That's a big overstatement. Certainly a large number of Evangelicals act like this, but it's unfair to say that this is the mentality of all Protestants. I have a number of High-Church Anglican/Lutheran friends, and they are often closer to us than many Novus Ordites. Read Richard Hooker, Bishop Butler,  Edward Pusey, R. L Dabney, etc. You can't make a blanket statement like that about such a large group of people
    What he stated is literally Lutheran doctrine. 
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