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I would like to mention that there were some interesting
things that happened that day, October 20th, 2013.  

Msgr. Perez had announced this re-delivery of the
conference presentation (that he had given at Niagara
Falls) about 3 or 4 weeks in advance of the 20th.  He
didn't explain just why he picked that date, other than
that the weather ought to be easing off a bit and that it
would be possible to stand there in Fr. Schell Hall to give
the talk once it's not so hot anymore.  

There is a schedule to deal with, and other Sundays after
the 20th are rather fully booked, so perhaps this was the
only day that would allow the talk to be practical.  Even
so, as it was, the temperature was not quite as cool as we
had hoped, and it seems Msgr. may have chosen to skip
over a few pages of notes that he could have used to
produce another quarter or half hour of presentation.  

But in any event, I found two things most noteworthy in
regards to the day itself.  The Epistle and Gospel for that
Sunday were curiously most appropriate for the topic that
Msgr. was to address after Mass.  And the 12:30 Mass was
celebrated by his assistant, Fr. Stephen Galambos, who
gave his own riveting sermon at Mass.  In fact, all he had
to do was stick to the Scripture readings for this day, and
expand it a little bit, in regards to our present situation in
the Church and our days in the Faith.

In the end, the Mass and Fr. Stephen's sermon worked as
a kind of introduction to the talk that Msgr. Perez would
then give after Mass.  So those who attended both were
given a sort of double treatment on these themes.  

I asked about whether anyone recorded the sermon, as
many of the OLHC sermons are posted later on the
website.  But I was told that particular one was not
recorded, perhaps because the equipment for doing
so was being reserved for the presentation after Mass.



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The following is a recent post on the TIA website:

Banned Talk

To the esteemed Authors of Tradition in Action,

I write this message to provide you with the audio recording of the Fatima Conference speech by Monsignor Patrick Perez. The original version, recorded at the Niagara Falls conference itself, “mysteriously” never made it onto the internet. So Msgr. Perez gave the talk a second time at Our Lady Help of Christians in Orange County, California, on October 20, 2013.

Monsignor has given me his express permission to record the speech and provide it to TIA so that it may reach wider audiences and be protected from those who would wish to see it removed.

For the sake of convenience I have edited the audio file by shortening a few of the areas where there were long applauses or pauses. As my device ran out of memory right about the time he ended the speech and took questions I have reduced the file to exclude the questions and answers fragment and contain only the speech proper. It lasts for almost 1 hour. I hope that it does much good for your readers and for the entire Traditionalist movement.

To listen to this speech click here.

     May Our Lady strengthen you in the counter-revolutionary fight !

     P.M.



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Thank you.  I will listen to it.

Listening to it right now. What organisation is this Bishop with?

Quote from: Ecclesia Militans

Neil, did Fr. Perez explain why his conference was not posted on the Fatima Center site?

Yes, he did, and I'll explain that below.

This lecture quotes Pope Francis' recent disastrous modernist heretical statements and says that Francis is a "disgrace to the papacy". While I personally agree with that statement, Fr. Gruner probably wouldn't want that on his site. Fr. Gruner is very very very very very optimistic about Francis consecrating Russia, as he was with arch-Modernist Ratzinger/Benedict XVI and Woytija/JPII. if he posted this, he would be admitting his efforts are futile. Plus since Chaos Frank is soooooo popular these days, posting something which clearly and logically exposes Francis as a flaming Modernist heretic and a danger to souls (as this lecture does very well) would surely alienate some current members and put off new members. He says that Modernists and the Novus Ordo "Modernist Mass" are "breathing poison into people's souls" and "must be avoided at all costs"...bravo and Amen to this!

This lecture is very good and I'm planning on using it to educate some of my relatives and friends about Chaos Frank the happy heretic.

Neil, thank you for posting this!!

You're welcome, Gaudium et Space, the pleasure is mine.

In answer to Ecclesia Militans' question, above, Msgr. told me
in person some weeks ago what his suspicions were in this
regard, because Fr. Gruner did not inform him as to the reasons
for this decision not to post his talk on the Fatima Center site.  

Later on, I suppose after he had enough time to verify things,
he said that we can go ahead and let others know that it was
the counsel of Fr. Gruner's trusted attorney, Christopher Ferrara,
that had led Fr. Gruner to follow his advice to BAN this talk and
the round-table discussion that followed it.  Upon further
reflection it comes to mind to not a few that this is nothing new.
It has been going on for years, already, a thing not too
unfamiliar with those of us who have after the fact learned for
instance about GREC and what has been happening all along.

Chris Ferrara is a helpful author of books, and he even gives
somewhat interesting speeches, but if you pay a little closer
attention you'll see that he refrains from getting to the real
meat of the issues.  He "beats around the bush," as it were.  He
is apparently terrified of "offending" certain people or particular
groups of people.  This itself is one of the characteristics of
Modernism, and as such it goes a long way to explaining why
people LIKE Ferrara don't like to think about Modernism.

They don't like to talk about Modernism.

They don't like to learn about it.

They abhor hearing about it.

Therefore, they misunderstand it, and they then lead others to
misunderstanding it.

And the usual reason these and other things are true about them
is the following: .  .  .  .  such people are Modernists.



When Pope Saint Pius X defined Modernism in his landmark
encyclical, Pascendi dominici gregis, he did not say that if some
future Pope were to be a Modernist then all we have to do is to
ignore it because he won't really be the pope then, like the
sedevacantists such as the CMRI like to announce albeit in
padded terms.


No, when Pope St. Pius X defined it, he explained that Modernism
is very dangerous because when it is in the mind and soul of a
man, it corrupts all of his faith.  It turns his Catholic sense into
nonsense.  And in listening to this talk by Msgr. Perez, which I
hope is merely the beginning of a SERIES of such talks, for there
is a LOT MORE TO SAY about it, we begin to realize what has
been going on since the early reign of Pope Pius XII.


Emphasis on the word "early."


In fact, we begin to realize that, as Msgr. points out (and this is hard
for us to grasp) it was already well under way in 1907.  That is, it
was well under way 100 years ago.  Note: there is no one alive
today who was active in these matters at that time, that is, unless
the Antichrist is with us, as Pope Pius X feared that he was in those
days.  Because it is possible that the Antichrist will not be (or is not!)  
subject to aging as the rest of us are.  Recall that before the Great
Flood of Noah, men lived to be much older than they did later on,
and so we could be in the first stages now of the age when the
Antichrist is among us, but not having made himself known yet, is
still in the background, doing his dirty work, building his empire.


Etc....


I'm getting off topic, sorry.

Fr. Gruner seems to have paid heed to the counsel of Mr. Ferrara
not to post this talk of Msgr. Perez because it would 'offend' some
of the key people who could actually make the Collegial Consecration
of Russia take place.  Based on the events of Niagara Falls, we may
be able to suppose that no sooner was Msgr's talk and discussion
over, that furtive attempts to "smooth over ruffled feathers" were
engaged, so as to hope to send away those present who had been
"offended" with a more positive outlook toward the idea of making
the Consecration.  Any more than that on my part would be just
speculation.  


But I'm not out of line, I don't think.  Knowing what I know of Mr.
Ferrara and seeing these things afoot, it seems rather clear that
there is a tension of two (maybe more!) forces at work here.  


One says that we need to keep the Modernists happy because it
will be with their help that the Consecration gets done, and not
without their help.


And the other says that the Grand Sewer of all heresies is not a
thing to be toyed with, nor should we presume to be able to "work
with it."  As Fr. Pfeiffer aptly proclaims:  "You Don't Dialogue With
A Modernist."  And according to this outlook, God doesn't
need the cooperation of Modernists to get the Consecration done,
so why should we?  God doesn't require us to bow and scrape to
the wiles of heresy to promote His divine will.  If the Consecration
is going to be done, and Our Lady said that it will, then we do not
have to water down the faith with SEWAGE in order to pull it off.


One possibly "third" force says that, "We've already missed the
boat,"
and it's now "too late" to do the Collegial Consecration of Russia to
the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so we may as well forget it, as the
errors of Russia have been spread throughout the world and there
is no way to undo the damage that that has caused.


It seems to me that Fr. Gruner addressed this last topic well, many
years ago, when he researched what little we have to go by in the
early records to find out that Our Lady did not say it would be "too
late," but rather that it shall be "late."  She said that the Consecration
will be done, but it shall be late.  


News flash:  It has been "late" for the past 60 years.  

When Our Lady says "late" she's not kidding!


In the end, this talk by Msgr. Perez was BANNED from the Fatima
Center website along with the discussion that followed it in the
expectation that doing so will HELP the Consecration get done.  
All I can say is that Our Lord works in mysterious ways, and perhaps
not having this talk on the website but instead having it on TIA or
on CathInfo will then perhaps draw viewers who rely on the Fatima
Center website for all their news to expand their resources a smidge
and come on over to CI where they might learn a thing or two.


Now we have to try to get Fr. Paul Kramer's talk onto CI somehow,
because Fr. Kramer's talk was ALSO 'too controversial' and so it
too was BANNED.  But this hasn't been the first time that Fr. Kramer's
work has been marginalized and excluded from the record on the
Fatima Center website.  This has been, as I said above, going on for
many years already.  It is nothing new.

Listening to it right now. What organisation is this Bishop with?

Msgr. Perez is not a bishop.  He was given the honor of "Monsignor" by a
bishop from India whom he has given much assistance to over the years in
helping him to train priests to say the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass,
without any of the insidious accretions which began even during the reign
of Pope Pius XII.  Don't forget that if not for Pius XII's actions against the
Sacred Traditions of the Church, we may not have ever had Vat.II, the
Newmass, the corruption of the Breviary, the corruption of the Mass
prayers (like the 1962 liturgy has in it, the Missal of John XXIII), and the
abandonment of such long-held traditions as the required recitation of
Sacrorum Antistitum by all clerics, rectors, bishops, priors, professors
and heads of religious orders, etc.  

He's not a bishop now, but who knows?  He is on very good terms with
Bishop Williamson, for example......................


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Neil Obstat wrote:

Msgr. Perez is not a bishop.  He was given the honor of "Monsignor" by a
bishop from India whom he has given much assistance to over the years in
helping him to train priests to say the Canonized Traditional Latin Mass,
without any of the insidious accretions which began even during the reign
of Pope Pius XII.  Don't forget that if not for Pius XII's actions against the
Sacred Traditions of the Church, we may not have ever had Vat.II, the
Newmass, the corruption of the Breviary, the corruption of the Mass
prayers (like the 1962 liturgy has in it, the Missal of John XXIII), and the
abandonment of such long-held traditions as the required recitation of
Sacrorum Antistitum by all clerics, rectors, bishops, priors, professors

Your words against the holy and beloved Pope Pius XII are venomous and disrespectful to the office of the papacy.  

You're suggesting the current Bishops from [where?] might get on and do the Consecration?

I think people get pulled into that 3rd Category ("too late") because of fatima.org, because fatima.org puts a lot of emphasis on Modernists doing anything right, which obviously isn't going to happen.

Is that what you're suggesting then? That the "late" but not "too late" way would be the few existing non-Modernist Bishops consecrating Russia?

Also, I'm interested in what you said about the Anti-Christ possibly existing 100+ years ago, even if it's in a new thread (link it though), though this thread would be fine as far as I'm concerned. I can sure think of someone who spawned around that time, and looked the same in all his pictures (notably, not many pictures, though he was a big player throughout Pope Pius XII's papacy and until his undignified "death" in the 80s). Although he'd be too obvious.

Is Fr. Kramer's talk on Youtube or Vimeo? I'm not sure which one you're referring to, though someone just linked last week and it has Fr. Kramer in it. (It's from this year, though, I believe).

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In the Watch Video page for Monday Sept. 9th, at
2:45 pm there is a play button for the following link:

http://www.fatimathepathtopeace.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138&Itemid=8

2:45pm    Father Paul Kramer   Consecration of Russia: Key to World Peace

It looks like they changed the schedule and didn't update the Agenda page.

But for Msgr. Perez' talk the play button is missing,
also for his roundtable discussion with the squirming
Chris Ferrara.


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