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Offline Napoli

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Ban Poche.
« on: May 28, 2013, 02:03:30 PM »
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    • I have made the subject matter clear. He needs to go. There are plenty of liberal forums who would welcome you.
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    Offline Charlemagne

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    Ban Poche.
    « Reply #1 on: May 28, 2013, 04:13:13 PM »
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    • I haven't PM'd Matthew yet because I don't know how many others already have. I don't want to bombard him. I'd love to know poche's cuмulative thumbs-down total.
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    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Ban Poche.
    « Reply #2 on: May 28, 2013, 04:16:46 PM »
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    • How do we Ignore?
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    Offline Charlemagne

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    « Reply #3 on: May 28, 2013, 04:17:59 PM »
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    How do we Ignore?


    You just click "HIDE" on one of his posts and it will hide all of them. If you want to view one of his posts (why would anyone?), just click "VIEW," which will show all of his posts.
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    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

    Offline Napoli

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    Ban Poche.
    « Reply #4 on: May 28, 2013, 04:27:08 PM »
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    • He's not very popular. I think everyone has dealt with him as charitably as is possible. Time for him to find more liberal pastures.
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    Offline Sigismund

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    Ban Poche.
    « Reply #5 on: May 28, 2013, 04:47:59 PM »
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    • I see no reason for him to be banned.  If you don't like his threads, don't read them.  
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    Offline Incredulous

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    « Reply #6 on: May 28, 2013, 08:43:23 PM »
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    • Must we prepare Poche's fire ?[/color]
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

    Offline Mithrandylan

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    Ban Poche.
    « Reply #7 on: May 28, 2013, 09:04:36 PM »
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    • Poche has the habits of a shill.

    He posts ridiculous quantities.  Shills do this so that lurkers see the post count and think that they're viewing the work of a 'regular.'  

    Obviously he has a NO agenda.  It is right to first assume ignorance, and work to correct it.  But Poche has been spoken to about traditional Catholicism more times than I care to count.  He either can't or won't stop apologizing for the NO.  His posts are not going to stop.  If it satisfies users, I will provide evidence showing that he has been spoken to about this on many occasions.

    Is he a shill?  Who knows.  But he certainly fits at least part of the description.  And even if he isn't, he does not contribute to traditional Catholic discussion.  And he does not make an effort to either.
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

    Offline Maizar

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    « Reply #8 on: May 28, 2013, 09:05:18 PM »
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    • And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?
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    Offline Maizar

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    « Reply #9 on: May 28, 2013, 09:06:45 PM »
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    Poche has the habits of a shill.

    He posts ridiculous quantities.  Shills do this so that lurkers see the post count and think that they're viewing the work of a 'regular.'  

    Obviously he has a NO agenda.  It is right to first assume ignorance, and work to correct it.  But Poche has been spoken to about traditional Catholicism more times than I care to count.  He either can't or won't stop apologizing for the NO.  His posts are not going to stop.  If it satisfies users, I will provide evidence showing that he has been spoken to about this on many occasions.

    Is he a shill?  Who knows.  But he certainly fits at least part of the description.  And even if he isn't, he does not contribute to traditional Catholic discussion.  And he does not make an effort to either.


    I'd say take this up with a moderator, whose task is to prevent mob rule in the first place.
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    Offline Mithrandylan

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    « Reply #10 on: May 28, 2013, 09:09:12 PM »
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    Poche has the habits of a shill.

    He posts ridiculous quantities.  Shills do this so that lurkers see the post count and think that they're viewing the work of a 'regular.'  

    Obviously he has a NO agenda.  It is right to first assume ignorance, and work to correct it.  But Poche has been spoken to about traditional Catholicism more times than I care to count.  He either can't or won't stop apologizing for the NO.  His posts are not going to stop.  If it satisfies users, I will provide evidence showing that he has been spoken to about this on many occasions.

    Is he a shill?  Who knows.  But he certainly fits at least part of the description.  And even if he isn't, he does not contribute to traditional Catholic discussion.  And he does not make an effort to either.


    I'd say take this up with a moderator, whose task is to prevent mob rule in the first place.


    The moderator has been PM'd and there are threads with the title 'ban X' as requested.  This way, when the moderator has a chance to review the issue, he can be made aware of important information that might affect his decision.

    I would say an obstinacy in posting NO apologetics and patently boring garbage is relevant when considering whether or not to ban someone, don't you?   :smile:
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    Offline Maizar

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    « Reply #11 on: May 28, 2013, 09:28:00 PM »
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    I would say an obstinacy in posting NO apologetics and patently boring garbage is relevant when considering whether or not to ban someone, don't you?   :smile:


    Maybe yes, but it's not my call. Why is he not yet banned? What does that tell you?
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    Offline Mithrandylan

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    « Reply #12 on: May 28, 2013, 09:37:34 PM »
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    I would say an obstinacy in posting NO apologetics and patently boring garbage is relevant when considering whether or not to ban someone, don't you?   :smile:


    Maybe yes, but it's not my call. Why is he not yet banned? What does that tell you?


    That the moderator isn't omniscient.
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    « Reply #13 on: May 28, 2013, 09:53:35 PM »
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    I would say an obstinacy in posting NO apologetics and patently boring garbage is relevant when considering whether or not to ban someone, don't you?   :smile:


    Maybe yes, but it's not my call. Why is he not yet banned? What does that tell you?


    That the moderator isn't omniscient.


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    But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother. And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.


    I take from this the principle that if you have a grievance, and Poche has not satisfied your grievance, then take it up with the relevant authority, escalating it until you get a decision. A PM can solve lack of omniscience if you are prepared to put a little work into it.
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    « Reply #14 on: May 28, 2013, 10:02:58 PM »
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    And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?


    Yes, after a while there were fewer heretics in town preaching the path to damnation.  So, Maizar, you think the Holy Office engaged in unspeakable and sinful acts? And what liberal history book did you read this in?

    And do you know for sure the crowds all gloated and hated. I suspect that most were praying their rosaries and repenting their own sins.

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