Author Topic: Ban Poche. (Read 6853 times)

MaterDominici · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:07:21 PM »

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The moderator has been PM'd...

Really?? I think it's time to fire your secretary.

magdalena · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:10:49 PM »

Isn't Poche the one who used to always post nothing but:

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Mithrandylan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:13:26 PM »

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The moderator has been PM'd...

Really?? I think it's time to fire your secretary.

Well, when someone said they PMd the moderator, I assumed they were telling the truth!

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #18 on:** May 28, 2013, 10:39:10 PM »

I haven't read a lot of posts by Poche, so I suppose it's possible that he's said some awful things on this forum that I haven't read, but I don't see anybody quoting anything he's said that would be reasonable cause for banning him. Does Poche advocate heresy? Perhaps those seeking his ouster could post some examples of that, if that's the problem. Is he vicious, mean-spirited, and completely lacking in charity? That would be another good reason for banning in my mind. Examples, anybody? Or is it something else? I'm not saying he shouldn't be banned because I really don't know what the story with him is, but I think that if people are trying to whip up a lynch mob, it would only be fair to provided concrete examples of why they think a lynching is in order.

Maizar · « **Reply #19 on:** May 28, 2013, 11:14:54 PM »

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And did killing heretics fix anything, apart from giving crowds of people the chance to sin mortally by gloating over the death of one they hate?

Yes, after a while there were fewer heretics in town preaching the path to damnation. So, Maizar, you think the Holy Office engaged in unspeakable and sinful acts? And what liberal history book did you read this in?

And do you know for sure the crowds all gloated and hated. I suspect that most were praying their rosaries and repenting their own sins.

I know what Aquinas and many popes have taught about heretics and the justification of putting them to death (although some have condemned the practice), and I understand and agree with the reasoning behind the rule (it is better to not have lived than to have a life that leads a multitude to damnation). But on a practical level I don't agree with it because in many cases people were wrongfully put to death as heretics.

Aquinas:

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But on the side of the Church is mercy which seeks the conversion of the wanderer, and She condemns him not at once, but after the first and second admonition, as the Apostle directs. Afterwards, however, if he is still stubborn, the Church takes care of the salvation of others by separating him from the Church through excommunication, and delivers him to the secular court to be removed from this world by death.

Putting a heretic to death is not a real solution to the problem of heresy which is an idea and not an individual. It backfires. We may as well make a list of several hundred million names of Christians who are heretics today, and go after them. Aquinas did far more good by debating and exposing his adversary than he would have done if he'd taken a gun and shot him.