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Baby Name laws around the world
« on: February 01, 2013, 12:48:24 PM »
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  • Who, What, Why: Why do some countries regulate baby names?

    A 15-year-old Icelandic girl has won the right to keep her first name, despite it being "unapproved" by the state. Why do some countries restrict baby names?

    Parents-to-be often find it hard enough to find a name they both like, let alone one the state might also be in favour of.

    Bjork Eidsdottir had no idea when, in naming her newborn girl Blaer 15 years ago, she was breaking the law.

    In the eyes of the authorities Blaer, which means "light breeze", was a male name and therefore not approved. It meant that for her entire childhood, Blaer was known simply as "Girl" on official docuмents.

    But Reykjavik District Court ruled on Thursday that it could indeed be a feminine name.

    "Finally I'll have the name Blaer in my passport," she said after the ruling.

    In the case of Iceland, it's about meeting certain rules of grammar and gender, and saving the child from possible embarrassment. Sometimes, although not in every case, officials also insist that it must be possible to write the name in Icelandic.

    There is a list of 1,853 female names, and 1,712 male ones, and parents must pick from these lists or seek permission from a special committee.

    Similar concerns about child welfare are present in Germany, where a Turkish couple were not allowed to call their baby Osama Bin Laden.

    One couple named their baby Berlin after the city in which they met, prompting the registrar to mount an objection. He eventually relented after the family's lawyer pointed out that the courts had allowed the name London.

    Iceland

    Yes: Elvis
    No: Carolina
    New Zealand

    Yes: Number 16 Bus Shelter
    No: Yeah Detroit
    Germany

    Yes: Legolas
    No: Matti
    Sweden

    Yes: Metallica
    No: Brfxxccxxmnpcccclllmmnprxvclmnckssqlbb11116
    Japan

    No: Akuma (means Devil)
    Portugal

    No: Mona Lisa
    Denmark, France, Spain and Argentina also strict

    Gender confusion prevented a German boy being Matti, because the sex of the baby wouldn't be obvious. And you won't find any Germans named Merkel, Schroeder or Kohl, either, because surnames are banned as first names.

    The name 4Real fell foul of authorities in New Zealand, because names cannot start with a number.

    A judge there also made a young girl a ward of court so that she could change the name she hated - Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii.

    When Japanese parents register their newborns, the local authorities can say no if they don't think the name is appropriate. In 1993, the name Akuma, meaning "devil", was not permitted.

    And in China, people have been forced to change their names because they were deemed too obscure.

    The UK and the US have much more liberal naming laws.

    American parents can pretty much name their child anything, says Michael Sherrod, co-author of Bad Baby Names: The Worst True Names Parents Saddled Their Kids With.

    In fact, he says, parents see it as an important expression of their freedom of speech, enshrined in the US Constitution.

    "When I discovered the restrictions that other countries have, I was absolutely astounded."

    Unusual American names

    Female
    Enamel
    Lettuce
    Mustard M Mustard
    (female anatomy moderated)
    Mutton
    Post Office
    ...and others too obscene to mention

    Strange names are nothing new, he says. Census records in the 18th and 19th Centuries revealed people named King's Judgement, Noble Fall and Cholera Plague.

    "In all, there have been 20 people named Noun, 458 named Comma, 18 called Period but only one called Semicolon."

    Getting on to more risque territory, Ima and Wanna are also popular, especially with surnames like Mann, Hoare or Pigg, he says. More offensive names have also been allowed.

    But why would parents do that to their children?

    "A lot of parents say they want their kids to be unique. They think it's fun and differentiates their child from everyone else, and gives them a personality," says Sherrod.

    "Americans are also very proprietary about their children and take the attitude, 'We can do whatever with our children and if they don't like it they can change it when they're older.'"

    Children with unusual names tend to get a lot of abuse at school but then embrace it when they're older, he says.

    What's the picture in the UK?

    A spokesman for the General Register Office says there are no restrictions on parents - except for exceptional cases, such as a name which could be deemed offensive, when an official could refuse to register it
    Superman, Perri 6 and long names containing all members of a football team permitted
    What can you name your child in the UK?
    There is no question that some of the more offensive names could be considered as child abuse, but that doesn't mean legislation is the answer, says Sherrod.

    "I'm not saying courts should not intervene, but I would prefer they do so only when parents cannot agree and the item gets taken to court.

    "I think, for the most part, parents are pretty good at compromise. I would say, anecdotal evidence is that the number of cases considered abusive is so tiny as to not require much law, if any."

    But courts have stepped in on occasion.

    When Thomas Boyd Ritchie III tried to change his first name to III, he was told by a court in California it would be "inherently confusing".
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    « Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 12:52:31 PM »
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    "In all, there have been 20 people named Noun, 458 named Comma, 18 called Period but only one called Semicolon."

    Getting on to more risque territory, Ima and Wanna are also popular, especially with surnames like Mann, Hoare or Pigg, he says. More offensive names have also been allowed.

    But why would parents do that to their children?

    "A lot of parents say they want their kids to be unique. They think it's fun and differentiates their child from everyone else, and gives them a personality," says Sherrod.

    "Americans are also very proprietary about their children and take the attitude, 'We can do whatever with our children and if they don't like it they can change it when they're older.'"

    Children with unusual names tend to get a lot of abuse at school but then embrace it when they're older, he says.


    Giving your child a ridiculous name "gives them a personality"? How pathetic is that?

    So...if you gave your child a normal name -- you know, like you'd name a human being, he would be boring, with no personality? Then GUESS WHAT -- your child isn't going to have a personality either way!

    A normal name doesn't make your child boring. A bizarre name doesn't make your child some kind of edgy, creative genius. All it does it make your child bitter from years of teasing by all of society. It makes your child think -- correctly -- that you don't really love him.

    Using a child as a living, breathing "running joke" shows a complete lack of love.

    It's selfish, and done for the parents' own amusement.

    Parents with the last name "Pigg" should JOKE between themselves about naming their child "Ima", and then move on. You don't actually NAME your child something like that, unless you're really, really twisted AND don't love your child.

    These idiots should remember that even the best jokes get old. And guess what? For EACH AND EVERY ONE of these children, the joke got old right after the first teasing started. "Only 13 more years to go until I turn 18 and can change my blasted name!"
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    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 12:56:04 PM »
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  • I wonder what the German government would do to someone who named their boys Adolf, Heinrich and Hermann and their girls Eva and Leni.

    Are any of those names banned?  I'm guessing they might find some way to take the kids away.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 01:22:07 PM »
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  • I've seen a host of strange names for children, and even more ridiculous spellings for some of the more traditional names.

    Apple, anyone? Or Google, or Burger?  

    I never will understand why someone would ever do that to their child!  Why go by Michael or Neil or John, or Francesca, Claire, or Jennifer, when you could have a silly name that will haunt you for the rest of your life, unless you get it changed?  And even if you do change it, how will that repair the years of teasing and bullying by others?

    I don't even call my animals by such ridiculous names!
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    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 01:37:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    I wonder what the German government would do to someone who named their boys Adolf, Heinrich and Hermann and their girls Eva and Leni.

    Are any of those names banned?  I'm guessing they might find some way to take the kids away.



    No, these names are not banned in Germany. Eva is actually rather popular.
    I don't even think the state would take any direct action against the parents, but there would certainly be a social stigma.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 03:10:28 PM »
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  • I  worked on the school buses for 10 years and the worst I heard for a name was "Dragon".  How sad!

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    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 03:30:43 PM »
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  • It is very sad that parents often seem not to know that a Christian name should actually be a Christian name.

    Presumably, many of these parents are Christian, possibly even Catholic, and yet they do not acknowledge this fact.







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