Author Topic: Attending SSPV (Read 7748 times)

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #10 on:** August 11, 2013, 09:42:14 AM »

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Assisting an Antiochian, Alexandrian or Byzantine Rite Mass celebrated by a priest in communion with the Seat of Peter is another option, if one is close to the area you will be visiting. They are every bit as Catholic as the Tridentine Latin Mass, unlike the the protestant novus ordo mass.

I actually largely agree with this, however I think precautions should be made in investigating the validity of the priests at the chapel you will be attending. I am unfamiliar with how 'inter-mixed' ordinations or consecrations of Eastern Rite priests and bishops are with the Latin Rite members. Perhaps Sigismund could answer this. I have been meaning to get to a Melkite Rite mass for quite a while; my Grandmother was Melkite, and I find the Byzantine accents of spirituality every bit as interesting and beautiful as the latin Rite. Hobbledehoy posted some great docuмents on here before, I hope he can upload them again.

As I understand it, the episcopacy and priesthood of the Eastern rites is in no way doubtful. That is to say, an Eastern rite priest ordained in the Eastern Rite by an Eastern Bishop who was consecrated in the Eastern Rite by another bishop consecrated in the Eastern rite (or Latin Rite before 1968) is undoubtedly a valid priest.

An Eastern priest who for some reason was ordained in the new Latin rite or ordained by a bishop consecrated in the new Latin rite would be a different story.

I have never attended a DL, though have been warned that many/some Eastern Parishes are liberal. Apparently there is no guarantee that you won't be walking into a more mystical Novus Ordo, so one does well to inquire about the parish to gauge it's loyalty to Catholicism.

Mabel · « **Reply #11 on:** August 11, 2013, 12:37:35 PM »

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They want you to have lessons with their priest, be baptized by them, and only receive Communion there.

It depends on who you are as well. At least one of the priests is a little lenient on the rules for some.

If you've been to a Thuc line priest, believe that some or all of the Thuc line is valid, you may not go to Communion. Adults have to sign statements against them, I don't know if children are required. I think some of this is in their bulletin. Also, I know that it is an unwritten rule that one cannot go to mass at to an SSPX ordained priest who believes the Thuc line is valid. He cannot associate with them, either.

They also frown on friendships with people who go to "Thuc priests." Those that I know who go there are terrified of losing the sacraments and will do anything to keep them. Personally, I think it is a control issue. I don't hesitate to call them a cult.

By the way, Bishop Kelly has been noticeably absent and mysterious these days. No one that I know of has had direct interaction with him. That seems really odd.

Someone like me who goes to CMRI, according to the SSPV, is equal to a non-catholic, no sacraments and I can't be a sponsor for baptisms or confirmations.

I'm not so sure that people who go to SSPV where they are further away from CMRI or independent chapels know about this. Someone invited me to an SSPV retreat a few years ago and I had to explain to her why I couldn't go. I think she might have checked up with them as I never heard back from her again.

Anyways, I'm open to correction if I have misstated anything, but as far as I know this is all current and true.

Mabel · « **Reply #12 on:** August 11, 2013, 12:44:57 PM »

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Assisting an Antiochian, Alexandrian or Byzantine Rite Mass celebrated by a priest in communion with the Seat of Peter is another option, if one is close to the area you will be visiting. They are every bit as Catholic as the Tridentine Latin Mass, unlike the the protestant novus ordo mass.

I actually largely agree with this, however I think precautions should be made in investigating the validity of the priests at the chapel you will be attending. I am unfamiliar with how 'inter-mixed' ordinations or consecrations of Eastern Rite priests and bishops are with the Latin Rite members. Perhaps Sigismund could answer this. I have been meaning to get to a Melkite Rite mass for quite a while; my Grandmother was Melkite, and I find the Byzantine accents of spirituality every bit as interesting and beautiful as the latin Rite. Hobbledehoy posted some great docuмents on here before, I hope he can upload them again.

As I understand it, the episcopacy and priesthood of the Eastern rites is in no way doubtful. That is to say, an Eastern rite priest ordained in the Eastern Rite by an Eastern Bishop who was consecrated in the Eastern Rite by another bishop consecrated in the Eastern rite (or Latin Rite before 1968) is undoubtedly a valid priest.

An Eastern priest who for some reason was ordained in the new Latin rite or ordained by a bishop consecrated in the new Latin rite would be a different story.

I have never attended a DL, though have been warned that many/some Eastern Parishes are liberal. Apparently there is no guarantee that you won't be walking into a more mystical Novus Ordo, so one does well to inquire about the parish to gauge it's loyalty to Catholicism.

I didn't even think of the Eastern Rite. It was late, I would have suggested that too. I've had trouble here with some of mine. When we've tried out new ones, we would always be prepared to leave. Some of the issues were Novus Ordo hymns, hand shaking, female readers, altar girls, playing around with the Filioque, bad, borderline heretical sermons, and one situation looked like they hacked the rite apart--honestly I have no clue what it was supposed to be.

That said, when I'm not in this area, the Eastern rites tend to be fine.

Ambrose · « **Reply #13 on:** August 11, 2013, 02:35:32 PM »

I would also like to say something about Fr. Joseph Collins. I have the highest opinion of him. He loves the Catholic Faith, and lives his priesthood. He is very knowledgable and humble.

He studied at Econe in the 1970s and was ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre. He was one of the nine, but he is not affiliated with the SSPV. I know that he works with Fr. Daniel Ahern, another former SSPX priest.

Binechi · « **Reply #14 on:** August 11, 2013, 04:49:32 PM »

What is Fr. Collins position on Baptism of Desire, if I may ask ?