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Offline s2srea

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ATP Test When Pregnant- DONT TAKE IT!
« on: November 28, 2011, 03:36:46 PM »
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  • I wanted to share an e-mail I wrote to a friend. He was telling me how his mother almost aborted him (he's a convert to the Faith) when she was pregnant with him. I'm sharing my response to him, so that you can tell your family and friends about this ridiculous test. I can't imagine how many lives are taken due to what's called the "ATP test" (ATP stands for: adenosine triphosphate). The state of California makes it mandatory for healthcare providers to administer this, but the family must opt out if they don't want it. Any amount of research will show how many times this test can be faulty. When my wife was pregnant, we were away from the Church, but I thank God I'd been instilled with an understanding of the worth of human life. Here's my story: (excerpted from an e-mail response to my friend)

    ..Your story is actually strikingly similar to when our firstborn, Aurora, was concieved. We did this test that the state 'requires' (you can opt out if you like): adenosine triphosphate (ATP) test when Nikki was about 3 months pregnant.

    This young nurse came back with our results and said, "your ATP count was 13; thats really high." An older nurse was walking by and and the young nurse asked her, in front of Nikki and I, "Whats the highest score you've seen on a ATP test?"

    "Seven or eight."

    My heart sunk. The doctor came in a few minutes later asking if we wanted to keep "it". We both (deo gratias my wife has some innate virtues) said "no", we were going to keep our baby. The doctor told us that she would almost surely have an open spine, or open abdomen, possibly a missing brain or organs, etc. We said we would still keep our baby. I prayed to St. Anne, the mother of our Blessed Mother, and told her I would offer her my child, and all my future children; I was recently devoted to St. Anne since I was working for the City of Santa Ana at their FD.

    Month after month, each time we went for our ultrasound, our child was there, complete. Aurora was eventually born, and did have what's called hemangioma's (on her eye- I think you remember them) (temporary birth marks that have almost completely gone away) and her kidney's were 'fused'- both of her kidneys are on the same side; the only thing she is prone to is more frequent UTI's, according to the doctors, but she's yet to get one. She's a normal, happy, ultra-intelligent (and I'm not saying it since she's our daughter) girl. I'm teaching her to love Christ and our Blessed Mother. And of course St. Anne.

    Interesting note on St. Anne- my twin girls were born on July 26th, almost 2 years after. July 26th- the Feast of St. Anne.

    Richard


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    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 03:53:57 PM »
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  • Ah crud- its called an AFP test; Alpha-Fetoprotein (AFP) in Blood. I need to e-mail my friend.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 06:40:08 PM »
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  • I was a lab technician for a few years.  What you are saying does not make any sense.  Why is a pregnant woman having a fetal ATP?  

    If you are talking about an AFP test, that is something very different.  AFP is a protein manufactured by everyone's liver.  A pregnant woman with really high levels can indicate neural tube disorders.  Low levels can indicate Down's Syndrome.  But this test is not diagnostic and is notorious for producing false positive markers.  It means nothing really, unless the results are really high--300 or 400.  That would indicate liver cancer.

    None of these tests mean anything.

    Years ago, when I was working, most women didn't take this test and most Dr's didn't even suggest it.  Now they have something called a Triple Screen and a Quad Screen which tests for 3 or 4 different levels.  Again, these are not diagnostic.  They don't do anything except scare mothers and keep the abortion mills in business.

    Dr's do these test in early pregnancy and pressure mothers into making quick decisions.  The test themselves mean nothing.

    An ultrasound by today's standards are amazing and can alert a parent to any complications their little one might have.  Dr's can make ample preparations when a problem is detected on an ultrasound.  Kidney, heart, lung, and spinal problems can all be detected in this manner and no baby need ever die.  In fact, many are saved by just waiting.

    Women serve themselves better by just refusing all testing until after the ultrasound.

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    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 06:55:41 PM »
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  • The AFP is a screening tool.  The result is neither positive nor negative diagnostically. It gives a statistic likelihood. The number that comes back is a ratio like 1:200 or 1:3000. What that means is 1 out of x number of women with those lab values (AFP, quad screen, nuchal transluxency etc) of that age  1 will have a child with sown syndrome or neural tube defect or what have you. This almost NEVER adequately explained to parents. They are told they have a positive result which sounds infinitely worse than what it is. A positive just means that the blood work show you are at a higher risk than your age relates risk alone.  If you are 25 and the age related risk for having a child with down syndrome is something like 1/1000, you are told you have  positive AFP if your ration is 1:500. That is better than 99.9% chance the baby is healthy yet families are stressed out and convinced to have invasive tests over it. There is nothing morally wrong with having the quad screen or AFP but PLEASE understand what you are consenting to and what the results mean.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 07:23:23 PM »
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  • Quote from: momofmany
    This almost NEVER adequately explained to parents. They are told they have a positive result which sounds infinitely worse than what it is. A positive just means that the blood work show you are at a higher risk than your age relates risk alone.


    Thanks momofmany- however, as I described above, this lack of explanation came along with a little, do you want 'it' or not talk.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 07:21:08 AM »
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  • It is the AFP test.  It was administered for our first two children only because it was on the checklist and we didn't know anything about it.  When the results for our second child came back saying that our second child would likely have severe birth defects (I don't remember whether it was Downs Syndrome or some other problem), he started to discuss further tests to confirm.  My wife didn't understand why more tests were necessary so the doctor asked what her intentions were if the problem was confirmed.  When she told the doctor that she'll have the baby one way or another, the doctor dropped the subject.

    That's when we found out it was just a "screening test".  For our subsequent children my wife waived the test.  The doctor didn't care, but the nurses were upset about it.  They told us about the state law which requires the test to be offered.  We explained that state law doesn't require us to accept the offer and that it was just a waste of money to run a test that serves no useful purpose.  The nurses said that it's better "to know" in advance; but my wife had already had that experience and it just added a few months of anxiety.

    It is simply an unnecessary and expensive test that serves no useful purpose and drives up the cost of medical care.