Author Topic: atending batmizvah (Read 2972 times)

Conspiracy_Factist · « **on:** November 04, 2013, 08:52:22 PM »

I have to convince my novus order wife why I can't attend the dinner for a batmizvah..I quoted her the following but she says it doesn't mean one can not attend..any thoughts?

ope Pius XI,
Mortalium Animos
(# 10), Jan. 6, 1928: "... this Apostolic See has never
allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics..."

Canon 1258.1, 1917 Code of Canon Law: "It is
not licit for the faithful by any manner to
assist actively or to have a part in the sacred rites of non-Catholics."

LoverOfTradition · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2013, 09:08:48 PM »

Is she Jєωιѕн? Or you have family that's Jєωιѕн?

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2013, 09:16:36 PM »

Quote from: gooch

I have to convince my novus order wife why I can't attend the dinner for a batmizvah..I quoted her the following but she says it doesn't mean one can not attend..any thoughts?

ope Pius XI,
Mortalium Animos
(# 10), Jan. 6, 1928: "... this Apostolic See has never
allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics..."

Canon 1258.1, 1917 Code of Canon Law: "It is
not licit for the faithful by any manner to
assist actively or to have a part in the sacred rites of non-Catholics."

The first quote might be saying that. The second quote doesn't appear to be, because it specifies active assistance. Attendance at a dinner is not active assistance. You might be correct with the Pius XI encyclical though.

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2013, 09:27:11 PM »

“Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jєωs. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jєωs; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jєωs; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incuмbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”--Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecuмenical Council of Nicea

“We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with the Jєωs, nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. […] They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses."--Pope Eugene IV

Frances · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2013, 09:32:36 PM »

Just curious! How would you be a participant in the actual ceremony or religious rites? If you are a friend or relative and are simply going to eat dinner, it seems not to be sinful. If you are uncomfortable going, and don't want to, why not just say so and stay home? At any rate, a batmitzvah is apt to be more of a cultural than religious event. It is practiced only by liberal Jєωs. The Orthodox are scandalised by the very notion of a "bat" (daughter) mitzvah. Until the late 1960s, there was no such thing. Only a boy can become a "bar" mitzvah, son of the commandments.

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2013, 09:58:52 PM »

Quote from: LoverOfTradition

Is she Jєωιѕн? Or you have family that's Jєωιѕн?

my wife is novus order, her friend is Jєωιѕн

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2013, 10:00:05 PM »

Quote from: GottmitunsAlex

“Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jєωs. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jєωs; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jєωs; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incuмbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”--Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecuмenical Council of Nicea

“We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with the Jєωs, nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. […] They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses."--Pope Eugene IV

I like this quote, although my wife will call it racist no doubt

Conspiracy_Factist · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2013, 10:03:16 PM »

Quote from: Frances

Just curious! How would you be a participant in the actual ceremony or religious rites? If you are a friend or relative and are simply going to eat dinner, it seems not to be sinful. If you are uncomfortable going, and don't want to, why not just say so and stay home? At any rate, a batmitzvah is apt to be more of a cultural than religious event. It is practiced only by liberal Jєωs. The Orthodox are scandalised by the very notion of a "bat" (daughter) mitzvah. Until the late 1960s, there was no such thing. Only a boy can become a "bar" mitzvah, son of the commandments.

I am staying home, my wife isn't too happy that I'm letting her go alone, so in the interest of family harmony I would like to give solid proof....it may seem to be not sinful but going to celebrate afterwards is it not a ign of my approval of their ceremony?..I just can't do it

SoldierOfChrist · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2013, 10:26:14 PM »

Quote from: gooch

Quote from: Frances
Just curious! How would you be a participant in the actual ceremony or religious rites? If you are a friend or relative and are simply going to eat dinner, it seems not to be sinful. If you are uncomfortable going, and don't want to, why not just say so and stay home? At any rate, a batmitzvah is apt to be more of a cultural than religious event. It is practiced only by liberal Jєωs. The Orthodox are scandalised by the very notion of a "bat" (daughter) mitzvah. Until the late 1960s, there was no such thing. Only a boy can become a "bar" mitzvah, son of the commandments.

I am staying home, my wife isn't too happy that I'm letting her go alone, so in the interest of family harmony I would like to give solid proof....it may seem to be not sinful but going to celebrate afterwards is it not a ign of my approval of their ceremony?..I just can't do it

That's a good choice Gooch. I would probably do the same.

TKGS · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2013, 07:06:45 AM »

Why is your wife Novus Ordo? Are you attending the Novus Ordo?

soulguard · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:30:15 AM »

It's troubles like these that make it easy to see why its better not to have a wife in the first place.
:read-paper:

Dolores · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2013, 11:28:46 AM »

As far as I'm aware, the Church in the past has permitted Catholics to attend the weddings and funerals of non-Catholic family members and acquiescence. However, this is limited to passive attendance, and not active participation. This permission may be limited to Protestants and the Orthodox, however. I'm not sure if it applies to Jєωs and Muslims, for example. Even if it did apply to Jєωs, this is not a wedding or a funeral, so I don't think you can go.

Dolores · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2013, 11:30:01 AM »

Quote from: soulguard

It's troubles like these that make it easy to see why its better not to have a wife in the first place.
:read-paper:

Yes, God forbid you should receive special graces from the Sacrament of Matrimony, just so you don't have to deal with disagreements every now and then!

Matto · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2013, 02:37:20 PM »

I would not go either.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #14 on:** November 05, 2013, 03:29:54 PM »

Quote from: GottmitunsAlex

“Concerning the prohibition of usury and base gain by the clergy; and concerning the prohibition against conversing or eating with the Jєωs. No priest shall set money out at interest or take unfair profit or be friendly or sociable with Jєωs; nor should anyone take food or drink with the Jєωs; for if this was decreed by the holy apostles, it is incuмbent upon the faithful to obey their command; and the synod shall excommunicate any one who does not comply with this order.”--Pope Saint Sylvester I at the First Ecuмenical Council of Nicea

“We decree and order that from now on, and for all time, Christians shall not eat or drink with the Jєωs, nor admit them to feasts, nor cohabit with them, nor bathe with them. […] They cannot live among Christians, but in a certain street, separated and segregated from Christians, and outside which they cannot under any pretext have houses."--Pope Eugene IV

This great post by GottmitunsAlex should lay to rest any doubt of not attending. Many saints, too, warned us to not have dealings and interactions with perfidious Jєωs.

Why assemble with people who hate Christ and His Blessed Mother? The Jєωs' filthy writings in their Babylonian тαℓмυd about Christ and Blessed Mary should alone suffice as the reason you should not associate with Jєωs.