Author Topic: Are the Chastisement and the Tribulation Different Time Periods? (Read 1019 times)

Truth is Eternal · « **on:** March 21, 2015, 01:20:50 PM »

Matthew 24:29

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And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved:

Mark 13:24

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But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light.

Apocalypse (Revelation) 8:12

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And the fourth angel sounded the trumpet, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars, so that the third part of them was darkened, and the day did not shine for a third part of it, and the night in like manner.

Apocalypse (Revelation) 12:1

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And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars:

Luke 21:25

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And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea and of the waves;

Acts Of Apostles 2:20

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The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and manifest day of the Lord come.

Apocalypse (Revelation) 6:12

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And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal, and behold there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair: and the whole moon became as blood.

wxg101 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2015, 01:55:53 PM »

Yes, the chastisement and the tribulation are different time periods.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Ven-Bartholomew-Holzhauser-and-the-Beginning-of-the-End

I direct you now to the thread where the topic is broken down.

What we are approaching is a chastisement. There have been multiple cataclysmic events that span most Ages. They happen at very specific times.

We are currently transitioning between the 5th and 6th Ages of the Church at this moment.

Truth is Eternal · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2015, 02:01:55 PM »

Quote from: wxg101

Yes, the chastisement and the tribulation are different time periods.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Ven-Bartholomew-Holzhauser-and-the-Beginning-of-the-End

I direct you now to the thread where the topic is broken down.

What we are approaching is a chastisement. There have been multiple cataclysmic events that span most Ages. They happen at very specific times.

We are currently transitioning between the 5th and 6th Ages of the Church at this moment.

Thank you very much for the information.

This would be a good read for Protestants.

wxg101 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2015, 02:14:07 PM »

Also, in the Olivet discourse it has been traditionally interpreted to involve two different points in time... "the beginning of the end" and then, the "tribulation" (I wish I had a reference for you, but I don't. I will have to do some snooping around...).

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For some context... Matthew c. xxiv verse i-v

1 And Jesus being come out of the temple, went away. And his disciples came to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And he answering, said to them: Do you see all these things? Amen I say to you, there shall not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not be destroyed.

3 And when he was sitting on mount Olivet, the disciples came to him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the consummation of the world?

4 And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you.

5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ. And they will seduce many.

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Exhibit a: Matthew ch. xxiv verse vi-xiv

6 And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass: but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: And there shall be pestilences and famines and earthquakes in places.

8 Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be scandalized and shall betray one another and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise and shall seduce many.

12 And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.

13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations: and then shall the consummation come.

"...but the end is not yet.";"Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows", the beginning of the end, not the end. Many people confuse the two. "...and then the consummation shall come.", meaning only after this event shall the tribulation begin to happen.

Matthew ch. xxiv verse xv-xxi

15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.

16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:

17 And he that is on the housetop, let him not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 And he that is in the field, let him not go back to take his coat.

19 And woe to them that are with child and that give suck in those days.

20 But pray that your flight be not in the winter or on the sabbath.

21 For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.

"For there shall be then great tribulation...", here now indicating the tribulation will have begun after this point in time.

So, the abomination of desolation is the "trigger point" of the great tribulation. Which is when the Antichrist declares himself to be the Most High.

wxg101 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2015, 02:15:26 PM »

Quote from: Truth is Eternal

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Yes, the chastisement and the tribulation are different time periods.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Ven-Bartholomew-Holzhauser-and-the-Beginning-of-the-End

I direct you now to the thread where the topic is broken down.

What we are approaching is a chastisement. There have been multiple cataclysmic events that span most Ages. They happen at very specific times.

We are currently transitioning between the 5th and 6th Ages of the Church at this moment.

Thank you very much for the information.

This would be a good read for Protestants.

You're welcome! It's the least this sinner can do.

If you want to discuss further into the topic, we can chat on this thread or you can PM me so I can answer any questions you may have.

Cantarella · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2015, 01:04:34 PM »

Quote from: wxg101

Quote from: Truth is Eternal
Quote from: wxg101
Yes, the chastisement and the tribulation are different time periods.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Ven-Bartholomew-Holzhauser-and-the-Beginning-of-the-End

I direct you now to the thread where the topic is broken down.

What we are approaching is a chastisement. There have been multiple cataclysmic events that span most Ages. They happen at very specific times.

We are currently transitioning between the 5th and 6th Ages of the Church at this moment.

Thank you very much for the information.

This would be a good read for Protestants.

You're welcome! It's the least this sinner can do.

If you want to discuss further into the topic, we can chat on this thread or you can PM me so I can answer any questions you may have.

Can't see her very well, but it seems you have the avatar of Our Lady of Good Success, wxg101.

That is such a special devotion! All her predictions for these unfortunate times are coming to be true.

God bless you for spreading this devotion, wxg101.

wxg101 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2015, 01:58:05 PM »

Thank you for the kind remarks, Cantarella.

That's very sweet of you.