Author Topic: are most tradtional catholic wealthy? (Read 2190 times)

herbert · « **on:** July 24, 2011, 08:18:50 PM »

i get impression that most make over 30k/year.

udoc89 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2011, 08:36:15 PM »

What do you consider wealthy? Anything over 30k? I would say most are not, but I've never really thought about it. Interesting question.

herbert · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2011, 09:00:17 PM »

when i used to be on fe there was pciture thread and people post pics of themselves, and most if not all of them looked very well fed and healthy, and lived in attractive and clean environments.

n this forum i have seen myrna, gladius, and sr2sea and they look very well dressed and clean environment with no critters and bugs traipsing about.

i think it may be that trad caths in general come from a spectrum of wealth, but trad caths on forums tend to be educated so are more likely to make over 30k a year.

udoc89 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2011, 09:28:21 PM »

I never posted my picture on FE. My family are all protestants and they are wealthy. I am not--although I make over 30k (I started teaching school AFTER my children were grown.) My husband makes more than I do, but I do not consider us to be wealthy, although we are generally well-fed :ready-to-eat:, educated, and solidly middle-class.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2011, 09:48:23 PM »

Quote from: herbert

i get impression that most make over 30k/year.

:roll-laugh1:

Oh man, herbert you certainly made me chuckle tonight!

I wish I had that amount of money! But then again, the government would take a chunk thereof anyways...

I have a University education, but that doesn't mean I am part of the now-extinct "middle class." I am part of the "new" lower class of hyper-educated blue-collar workers that are enslaved by institutionalized usury. I probably will never see the day I make $30,000 per year. Oh well...

Education and income-earning capability are no longer necessarily or causally [in the technically sense of word] tied, which is really sad.

wallflower · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:16:32 PM »

Quote from: herbert

i get impression that most make over 30k/year.

30K is not wealthy unless you are debt free and that's just your monthly utilities/spending money.

My parents made less than that and we were always clean and well-fed. Poor should not mean dirty. All it takes is soap, elbow grease and will-power to keep your environment clean and organized, EVEN with a dozen kids. I think the uncleanliness that tends to go along with poverty is more a symptom of the depression that can go along with not being able to provide. Most trads I've met are pretty put together as far as that goes, even if poor.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2011, 10:30:26 PM »

My husband and I both come from poor families from Chicago, when we married no one gave us anything except the usual wedding shower of which we were grateful.

During our marriage, I remember days when we didn't have enough money to go to MacDonald's, had to wait till pay day. My husband put both of us on a strict budget, and he stuck by it. Finally little by little we started to see some light, and were able to treat ourselves to a luxury once in awhile. Even today, however I have never thought of ourselves as rich, but by the grace of God, we always managed to pay all our bills.

We are both retired now, and looking back our best times together, were when we struggled and lived from pay day to pay day. One thing that helped us was neither of us were the type that had to have the best, but we tried to buy (when we need something) the best of what we could afford.

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:18:52 PM »

Quote from: wallflower

Quote from: herbert
i get impression that most make over 30k/year.

30K is not wealthy unless you are debt free and that's just your monthly utilities/spending money.

My parents made less than that and we were always clean and well-fed. Poor should not mean dirty. All it takes is soap, elbow grease and will-power to keep your environment clean and organized, EVEN with a dozen kids. I think the uncleanliness that tends to go along with poverty is more a symptom of the depression that can go along with not being able to provide. Most trads I've met are pretty put together as far as that goes, even if poor.

I would also say that 30K isn't all that much! Maybe for a single person living alone...

But to support a family? That's pretty challenging EVEN IF you have no debt. It would take a constant frugal mindset.

And I completely agree with you about cleanliness. Soap isn't expensive, nor are old newspapers and rags which can be used to clean with. Anyone who is dirty *wants to be dirty* or they simply don't care. NO EXCEPTIONS. I know it sounds harsh, but it's true. Poverty has NOTHING TO DO with being lazy, a slob, dirty, or unsanitary.

The Holy Family was poor, but I guarantee you they didn't have pizza boxes or moldy food rotting on the floor. The Blessed Mother and St. Joseph were hard workers. I'm sure the Blessed Mother would be an example of the "prudent woman" mentioned often in the Sapiential Books of Scripture (industrious, hard working, etc.)

I could hit absolute rock-bottom as far as wealth, situation, possessions, etc. was concerned, but I still wouldn't wallow in my own filth. I'd make a point to "ease nature" somewhere away from where I sleep, try to keep things clean, etc.

Matthew

absit omen · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2011, 11:56:08 PM »

LMFAO at "over $30K being wealthy".

I live in San Francisco and a single person can barely get by on $50K, let alone a family.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2011, 12:37:40 AM »

If my husband works a paid job and I don't, do we get to make $60K before we're "wealthy"? : )

herbert · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:00:54 AM »

thank you for comments all! it is enjoyable to interact with people and people give me thing to chew on. the only downside to getting many replies to a thread i start is that i have to come up wuith a bigger response than i normally would, otherwise people will feel cheated because i dont appear to give as much as they gave. so i am going to try to make this a big post so you all get thing to chew on in response to the thing you give me to chew on. this way we all get to chew on something and dont starve.

odoc89: can you give me contact details for you wealthy family members? i am lawyer and they might need my services. by my standards udoc89 (what does your name mean btw) you are wealthy, but if you dont see it that way that is okay.

hobbledehoy: can you elaborate on institutionalied usury? i know usury is condemned by the church. you cant charge interest on a loan without sinning. instituionalized means usury is accepted without protest.

wallflwoer: i get by on $3600 a year, but i am bachelor. i babysit my niece occasionally, but i dont have many responsibilities. for me 30k wouild be considerab;e amount of moolah. i lived in an sro once and the bathrooms were shared. the landlord's way of cleaning the shower was to paint over the grime. i try to stay clean, but it is not easy because it take a lot of effort. i look up to clean people. i thnk they are better than dirty people. it is one of the reasons i like trad catholics. because they are not stinkydoodles like so many irreligious people.

myrna: i get the sense you and husband come from humble background and good stock so am not surpirsed to hear that you have lived a frugal and balanced life. it is reflected in your paintings, which have a serene quality. the part about mcdonalds surprised me because i do not think of you as a fast food purveyor.

matthew: you points are good. but you have the light of christ within you, and it make you ethusiastic to exist, and to be clean. as wallflower said depressed people are often dirty,. there depression is probably a puinishment for angering god in some way. so in some ways a dirty person is wicked, because there really is no good excuse to live in a dirty home or wear dirty clothes.

absit omen: i find that hard to believe.

mater: i dont understand your question.

btw i think the phrase "by their scent ye shall know them" is not from the bible, but i think it could be. stinky people are essentially bad people.

btw there are 2488 charaters in my posts. i know because editpad pro automatically counts the characters.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:08:53 AM »

Quote from: herbert

i have seen myrna, gladius, and sr2sea and they look very well dressed and clean environment with no critters and bugs traipsing about.

Before I record myself singing, I make sure all -- and I mean ALL -- bugs have been mercilessly squished...I mean, you can't have ants in yer pants or some such thing, can ye, while trying to impress the ladies with your voice and overall composure???

herbert · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:09:28 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Quote from: herbert
i have seen myrna, gladius, and sr2sea and they look very well dressed and clean environment with no critters and bugs traipsing about.

Before I record myself singing, I make sure all -- and I mean ALL -- bugs have been mercilessly squished...I mean, you can't have ants in yer pants or some such thing, can ye, while trying to impress the ladies with your voice and overall composure???

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:14:06 AM »

Um....

LOL.

$30k is NOT rich. And I assure you. A man can take care of a family on less than that, practically anywhere in the US except California and New York (until shtf.)

Many rich people make up excuses as to why their family should not be "enlarged" so they can maintain their posh standards, and I even see this in indult- land quite frequently.

But where I go, most people are NOT rich. Most people own their own business. Some of us are working poor, and have been gifted by God with a lot of children.

If you don't live beyond your means, you might as well be rich, and the way I see it, if my husband made another $20k more than he does now, we would be in the same boat we're in right now.

God is taking care of us. To me, there is FAR too much emphasis on the dollar amount you make, and not enough on how you manage what God has allowed you to have.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2011, 01:54:21 AM »

Quote from: herbert

hobbledehoy: can you elaborate on institutionalied usury? i know usury is condemned by the church. you cant charge interest on a loan without sinning. instituionalized means usury is accepted without protest.

By institutionalized usury I was alluding to the whole banking and credit system that is ruining Western civilization.

I saw a docuмentary entitled Maxed Out on the credit and loan industry years ago. It was quite scary seeing it at that time as I was about to lose my house. When I saw that docuмentary I understood why the economy and the job market would collapse in the manner in which we are presently witnessing it.