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Offline AnonymousCatholic

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Are mail order brides sinful
« on: July 17, 2019, 12:05:20 AM »
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    • Not really considering it but it seems like a question worth asking 
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    Offline Nadir

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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2019, 12:37:11 AM »
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    • Aren't we all sinful?
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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2019, 06:45:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on July 17, 2019, 12:37:11 AM
    Aren't we all sinful?
    lol
    he means getting one. 
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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2019, 07:06:44 AM »
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    • We know that the first motivation for women making themselves available in this manner is to gain citizenship, and not to beget children raised in the true faith to ultimately glorify God in heaven.

    Given the short window of time (if any) in which the spouses would be able to get to know each other before the wedding, it is likely there will be a high degree of invalidity to many of these “marriages” for defect in consent in the woman (most of whom will not be conceiving of making themselves open to bearing as many children as God bestows upon them), and given the low and imprudent moral caliber of women who would make themselves available in this manner, the likelihood of bringing them around to traditional Catholicism and morals is an extremely reckless and unlikely gamble.

    The difference between mail order brides and arranged marriages such as used to occur in Christendom is that in the latter case, both parties were steeped in the Catholic Faith, and the purpose of Catholic marriage was preserved.  

    In the former case, it is simply a shortcut around immigration laws.
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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2019, 08:00:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: AnonymousCatholic on July 17, 2019, 12:05:20 AM
    Not really considering it but it seems like a question worth asking
    I can't see any reason it would be intrinsically sinful to take a mail order bride.  If a couple marries with consent and intention to honour the purpose of marriage, it should not matter how they met.  There may be practical concerns about the intention in a specific situation that would make such a marriage imprudent.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2019, 08:18:25 AM »
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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2019, 09:01:29 AM »
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    • If the many impersonal political marriages in the middle ages were not sinful of the fact, I do not see why a mail order bride would be.  That said, one critical difference is that the impersonal marriages from then occurred in a Christian society where it could be safely assumed that despite a lack of any experience assessing their personality and fitness, a potential spouse would take Christian morals seriously (at least in public and for the sake of family life).  That assumption certainly does not hold today, in fact the opposite assumption is almost at work.  And given the material incentivization of the mail order bride combined with a lack of social, economic, and political controls to incentivize marital fidelity, it strikes me as a generally and radically imprudent way of marrying, even if in a vacuum it would be morally lawful.
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    Re: Are mail order brides sinful
    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2019, 09:19:39 AM »
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    • Mail-order brides?  Dude, use email or the cloud.  Get with the times.  ;D
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