Honest question.


Do you believe that most "christians" you know would actually suffer the least little inconvenience for their faith much less risk actual martyrdom?

Why is it that most of the those in powerful positions in most of the "christian" countries today are mostly silent on issues that are in direct oppostion of their supposed spiritual beliefs, I'm talking specifically  Christian doctrine and dogmas, yet they won't so much make a peep about it?

Why do most "christians" do or say nothing when their most sacred images or scriptures are desecrated, defiled or removed from the public square? Would the followers of Islam allow this? What about Jєωry, do you believe they would just stand idle while their faith is attacked and persecuted?

Are "christians" really above all the other faiths in not responding when their faith or the name of Jesus is blasphemed because they believe that is the proper response (turning the other cheek and all that) or not defending the unborn or the corruption of their children by godless Sodomites because they believe they are called to be pacifists like their Saviour who allowed himself to be crucified for nothing by the state and a few perfidious Jєωs? Do most "christians" really think like this?


Or are they just cowards?

On another note, why do so many "christians" attack other Catholics on this forum as "racists", bigots, homophobes, antisemites, misogynists, heretics, "nαzιs", freemasons, etc and whatever from the comfort and safety of the Anonymous Section of this forum?

Is it because they're cowards as well?

I for one will not reply to anyone who will at least not come forth like a man (or woman) and  at least use his screen name when he declares his false accusations against me. I believe this is the ultimate display of cowardice and slander, to be honest, I think you are beneath the dignity of a response and not waste a single second of my time replying.

I agree with KnightVigilant in many ways.

But I also would have to say that most Christians are in fact cowards. But, then again, most people are cowards.

It just so happens that right now the Church is weak in every way. And that gives the further impression of individual cowardice.

This is probably true, but if you were a young person right now, why would you possibly attach yourself to a religion where most of it's adherents wouldn't even go out of their  way to defend, even verbally or it's leaders are too paranoid out of political correctness or some kind of economic backlash refuse to make a stand on some of it's most basic fundamental beliefs?

Yes, they keep stabbing believers in the back so often you wonder if it's not mere expediency but actual malice behind it.

I think that most Christians at the end of the day are not only cowards but even worse, they're are more concerned about losing money in some way defending the Church, so they sell out for the shekels in order to maintian their cushy lifestyle in some way.

Christians don't worship Christ these days, they worship money.

That's the general impression given by neotraditionalists.

Christians are CATHOLIC; Protestants are NOT Christians whether they recognize it or not.
That being established, Christians are sometimes cowardly, sometimes brave.  So are Protestants, Jєωs, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Satanists, new-agers, atheists!  It is the final state of the soul that counts.  CATHOLIC and BRAVE in as much as God requires the latter is what merits Heaven.

Alaric:  Could you define "Christian".  Who do you picture as the Christians?  Are they of the New Order, are they protestants, are the traditional catholic?

St Peter, was he a coward?  How about Judas?  They are alike but not.  What makes one coward different from the other?

There was a lady who thought she would take on my husband.  She called my husband weak.

We are all weak and if we are humble, we have to admit that we are weak.  the only thing that can change that is the Precious Blood of Christ.  It is that Power that helps us to stay away from sin and forgiveness to start over.

Anyone who says that they are courageous better think twice where it comes from.

So, who are these Christians that you speak of?

I probably should've qualified more defining the word "christian" in the question.

I would say the vast majority today, probably in the West, of those who would describe themselves as "christian" be they Catholic or otherwise. Of course I am talking about those Christians that are part of the  Trinitarian belief system.

I'm not talking about Christians through time memmorium, those obviously stood behind their faith at least at face value and would not allow their cultures to descend so low as allowing basic evils as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage or infanticide run rampant as it does in ours today.

Of course I don't believe the Saints like Peter were cowards, they actually died for the faith (martyrs), that's the point! Judas was proabably more of a believer than those today, at least he thought maybe he could force Chirst's hand in selling him out to the Pharisees, Judas was more a complex character than we know.

I think Judas was at least willing to fight the pagan system occupying his country, he was just confused that the Messiah wasn't going to start a secular revolution.

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Now here was a Christian to be reckoned with ! ! ! ! and a woman to boot !


St. Felicity and her seven sons

Feast Day: July 10
Born/Died: Second century

Felicity was a noble Christian woman of Rome. After her husband's death, she served God by prayer and works of charity. Her good example led others to become Christians, too.
This angered the pagan priests (they worshipped false gods), who complained to Antoninus Pius, the emperor. They said Felicity was an enemy of the state because she was making the gods angry.

So the emperor had Felicity arrested. Her seven young sons were arrested with her. Like the mother of the Maccabees in the Old Testament, Felicity remained calm. The governor tried to make her sacrifice to the false gods but she absolutely refused.

They finally threatened to kill her sons one by one if she did not do as she was told. The governor said to her, "Unhappy woman, if you wish to die, die! But do not destroy your sons." And Felicity answered "My sons will live forever if, like me, they scorn the idols and die for their God."

This brave woman was forced to watch her sons being put to death. One was whipped, two were beaten with clubs, three beheaded and another drowned. Four months later, Felicity, too, was beheaded. Her strength came from her great hope that she would be with God and her sons in heaven.

St. Felicity, it could be said, was martyred eight different times as she had to watch each of her sons die. Then she too gave up her life for Jesus.

Reflection: Today we pray for people who watch their loved-ones suffer physically or emotionally. May they feel the strength and glory of the Risen Christ in their suffering.

That is an incredible story, I couldn't even imagine such a horror.

Christians today couldn't even concieve of such a sacrifice.

The Church knows quite well  though history of what the state is capable of when it demands compliance to there will, even when it's worshipping ridiculous gods and idols they know damn well don't exist. Not much has changed since then in some ways, except  most the followers of Christ would never challenge the authority of the state, even if no physical harm would come their way.

Those old martyrs had unbelievable faith.

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I agree with KnightVigilant in many ways.

But I also would have to say that most Christians are in fact cowards. But, then again, most people are cowards.

It just so happens that right now the Church is weak in every way. And that gives the further impression of individual cowardice.

This is probably true, but if you were a young person right now, why would you possibly attach yourself to a religion where most of it's adherents wouldn't even go out of their  way to defend, even verbally or it's leaders are too paranoid out of political correctness or some kind of economic backlash refuse to make a stand on some of it's most basic fundamental beliefs?

I think that most Christians at the end of the day are not only cowards but even worse, they're are more concerned about losing money in some way defending the Church, so they sell out for the shekels in order to maintian their cushy lifestyle in some way.

Christians don't worship Christ these days, they worship money.

Funny you should put it that way. I was once young. Now I am definitely middle aged. When I was young I had left the Church for quite awhile. I did not think at the time of the religion being a bunch of cowards. But I definitely felt that there was nothing there. That it was not manly in anyway and that even though I knew in my heart Catholicism was the One, True, Faith, I did not see any tangible evidence of that fact at my local parish.

Now that you brought it up, I think it has definitely been cowardly for quite some time.

I'm sure many do worship money as you say. But, on the other hand I think it is more a problem with not wanting to stick one's neck out. For instance simply defending the Faith in innocuous social situations is probably not going to cost you any money. But even expressing an opinion among friends and neighbors or other acquaintances seems to be almost nonexistent. Based on some of the reactions my wife and I have received, you would think we were overbearing. Or worse, no one seems to care to challenge us.  

The Faith has been thoroughly feminized. And the ones who are Conservative are relegated to a ghetto that mainly consists of the Pro-Life Movement and those against ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ "Marriage". These are noble efforts to fight, unfortunately they have become a substitute for Catholic Apologetics.

And how could it not? Being that all Faiths lead to heaven as long as you are a person of good will.

Don't forget the vices either. The more centralized a State becomes, the populace becomes more prone to immoral behavior, which by the way, is also a form of further big government control. Families are being dismantled and it is just the individual, on his own, against the great behemoth. Family, neighborhood, community, town, are the correct order of influence. But the whole structure of Christendom has been turned upside down.