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Offline MrYeZe

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Are Children Killed By Gods Judgements Saved?
« on: August 18, 2015, 10:48:11 PM »
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  • I'm talking in reference of en masse judgements such as the judgement of Sodom and Gomorrah, or the Midianites.  I know that unbaptised babies that die without baptism do not, but what of those that literally die to the direct judgements of God. Is it any different for them?
    Better to illuminate than merely to shine, to deliver to others contemplated truths than merely to contemplate.

       -Thomas Aquinas

    "Even if my own father were a heretic, I would gather the wood to burn him"

    -Pope Paul IV


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    Are Children Killed By Gods Judgements Saved?
    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2015, 03:39:11 AM »
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  • In the days of Sodom and Gomorrah there were no baptized people at all, whether infant or adult.

    After Jesus' death, having completed the work His Father gave Him to do, i.e. the Work of  Redemption, he went into the place where all unbaptised people were; that is every person born since Adam and Eve who was not damned, including of course all those lost in the greatest of all chastisements, the flood.

    This is what the New Testament has to say:

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    1 Peter 3 [18] Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit, [19] In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison: [20] Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.
    note on [19] Spirits that were in prison: See here a proof of a third place, or middle state of souls: for these spirits in prison, to whom Christ went to preach, after his death, were not in heaven; nor yet in the hell of the damned: because heaven is no prison: and Christ did not go to preach to the damned.


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    Ephesians 4:9
    Now that he ascended, what is it, but because he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?


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    Acts Of Apostles 2:24
    Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the sorrows of hell, as it was impossible that he should be holden by it.


    It is no different for a person who died unbaptised simply because he died through a direct judgement of God, I guess you mean to say a chastisement, but was innocent of any wrongdoing. Maybe it will go better for that person if he never has the chance to rebel against God's law.

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Are Children Killed By Gods Judgements Saved?
    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2015, 12:44:16 PM »
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  • These issues are not for us to decide.  Instead of pondering them, you should include them as an Rosary intention.

    The Old Testament is full of these stories.  The Israelites were told by God to leave no man, woman nor child alive.  In some instances, innocents were admitted into the Israelite nations but many rabbis describes these innocents as being joyful slaves who do are not a part of the Israelite nation.

    So, in short, we are to pray for the Holy Souls in Purgatory and for all others.