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Offline siervo

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Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
« on: October 28, 2014, 02:08:57 PM »
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  • Hi,

    I have always liked the style of the St. Andrew cross, but I am a Roman Catholic. Are we even allowed to wear such crosses?


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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 02:48:57 PM »
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  • I think some Byzantine Catholics (that are derived from the Orthodox) do.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...


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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 04:08:20 PM »
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  • Yes, Roman Catholics are allowed to wear such crosses. Byzantine and other Eastern Catholics use them all the time.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 08:36:40 PM »
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  • Of course you can!
    A cross is a cross - whether Eastern or Western.

    Oh, and by the way, the below image IS NOT a cross a Roman Catholic would ever embrace -  and should be avoided as if your soul depended upon it.  It is a defeatist  and demonic image of an eternal "Dead" Christ - denying the Resurrection and everlasting Life giving sacrificial Salvation of our Lord and Saviour.  It is an emblem of an eternal DEAD Saviour / Fool who sacrificed ALL for nothing:


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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 08:48:10 PM »
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  • I don't disagree.


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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 10:51:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
    Of course you can!
    A cross is a cross - whether Eastern or Western.

    Oh, and by the way, the below image IS NOT a cross a Roman Catholic would ever embrace -  and should be avoided as if your soul depended upon it.  It is a defeatist  and demonic image of an eternal "Dead" Christ - denying the Resurrection and everlasting Life giving sacrificial Salvation of our Lord and Saviour.  It is an emblem of an eternal DEAD Saviour / Fool who sacrificed ALL for nothing:


    Without Christs death on the Cross I don't think I could live.

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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #6 on: October 29, 2014, 08:43:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
    Of course you can!
    A cross is a cross - whether Eastern or Western.

    Oh, and by the way, the below image IS NOT a cross a Roman Catholic would ever embrace -  and should be avoided as if your soul depended upon it.  It is a defeatist  and demonic image of an eternal "Dead" Christ - denying the Resurrection and everlasting Life giving sacrificial Salvation of our Lord and Saviour.  It is an emblem of an eternal DEAD Saviour / Fool who sacrificed ALL for nothing:



    Is that the hideous crozier Wojtyla used?
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #7 on: October 29, 2014, 09:52:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
    Of course you can!
    A cross is a cross - whether Eastern or Western.

    Oh, and by the way, the below image IS NOT a cross a Roman Catholic would ever embrace -  and should be avoided as if your soul depended upon it.  It is a defeatist  and demonic image of an eternal "Dead" Christ - denying the Resurrection and everlasting Life giving sacrificial Salvation of our Lord and Saviour.  It is an emblem of an eternal DEAD Saviour / Fool who sacrificed ALL for nothing:


    Without Christs death on the Cross I don't think I could live.


    Poche, you never quite "get it" do you?


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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #8 on: October 29, 2014, 11:39:36 AM »
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  • The Eastern Orthodox Cross has three cross beams and is distinctly different from other Christian crosses.

    The deep symbolism and the tradition of icons was preserved from Byzantium through the Christian Empire it created in Russia. (See also the heraldic Bezant Cross). Byzantium was the capital of the Christian Byzantine Empire, later renamed Constantinople and currently Istanbul. The culture of the area is a rich mixture of different traditions of iconography.

    Alexander Roman tells us that in the East, and Russia in particular, a cross with three bars was worn by the lowest rank of priest; a privilege granted by the Russian Emperor Paul I (1754-1801). Higher ranking clergy wore one-bar crosses, such as Metropolitans and Abbots. In the West, the reverse was true - additional bars signified higher clerical or other significance. Two-bar crosses in the West signified important Christian centres, i.e., patriarchal centres. Only the pope had a three-bar Cross. (See also Papal Cross)

    The top beam, also seen on the Patriarchal cross, represents the plaque bearing Pontius Pilate's inscription "Jesus the Nazorean, King of the Jєωs" (see INRI). The Latin for such a plaque is titulus which gives the name for this form: Titulus Cross. The upper beam rarely has any inscription; it is just symbolic of a titulus. However, this cross is often embellished with the acronym IC XC NIKA. (See also ICXC Cross)

    Eastern Orthodox Cross

    St. Basil's Cross
    Perhaps the most photographed Eastern Orthodox crosses are those atop the onion domes of the Cathedral of Intercession of the Virgin on the Moat (more commonly known as Saint Basil's Cathedral) in Red Square, Moscow

    The lower beam represents a foot-support (suppedaneum) and began appearing in Eastern Christian art in the 6th century. The purpose of the suppedaneum was to support the weight of the body. We do not know whether such a device existed on Jesus' cross. (See Suppedaneum Cross)

    Greek Orthodox Cross

    The suppedaneum on crosses typical of the Greek Orthodox Church and Ukrainian Catholic Church is invariably horizontal, whereas on other Eastern crosses it is usually diagonal.

    Justice balance scales

    A popular interpretation for the slanted suppedaneum is to symbolize a balance-scale showing the good thief St. Dismas, having accepted Christ, would ascend to heaven, while the thief who mocked Jesus would descend to hell. With this, the Cross is a balance-scale of justice. A similar lower beam is also found on another form of Patriarchal Cross where there is only one upper beam.

    Another explanation of the slant reflects half of the 'X' shaped Saltire cross of St. Andrew, who was the first Christian missionary to Russia.

    The story goes that when Andrew preached in southern Russia, he used a large three-bar cross as a visual teaching aid. All three bars were parallel, and when relating the Passion he tilted the lower footrest to signify that those on the right side of Christ will rise up into heaven and those on the left will slide down into hell. (See also Keys to heaven and Right-hand side of God.)

    When first encountering this cross with a slanting lower beam, one can be forgiven for thinking the the Eastern Orthodox Cross is a Three-Dimensional Cross; its similarity with a key being a convenient reminder that the cross is the key to forgiveness. Three dimensions also brings to mind the Holy Trinity.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 09:06:03 PM »
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  • Very educational, thanks.

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    « Reply #10 on: October 29, 2014, 10:19:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: ultrarigorist
    Quote from: poche
    Quote from: Emitte Lucem Tuam
    Of course you can!
    A cross is a cross - whether Eastern or Western.

    Oh, and by the way, the below image IS NOT a cross a Roman Catholic would ever embrace -  and should be avoided as if your soul depended upon it.  It is a defeatist  and demonic image of an eternal "Dead" Christ - denying the Resurrection and everlasting Life giving sacrificial Salvation of our Lord and Saviour.  It is an emblem of an eternal DEAD Saviour / Fool who sacrificed ALL for nothing:


    Without Christs death on the Cross I don't think I could live.


    Poche, you never quite "get it" do you?

    I want to be one with Christ crucified that I amy live forever with Him in Heaven.


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    Are Catholics allowed to wear orthodox crosses?
    « Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 11:39:09 PM »
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  • Santa Croce di Firenze (Italia)

    What a beauty!
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.