Author Topic: Archbishop Fulton Sheen become Venerable (Read 10846 times)

wisconsheepgirl · « **on:** June 28, 2012, 10:40:12 PM »

Coolness. As I was learning about the Catholic faith, I found him and was completely in love with his show "Life is Worth Living" CD's. My grandfather, a great big ol' Protestant LOVED watching him. Abp. Sheen gave my very much loved Pappaw some pause to his original idea that Catholics 'might not be statue worshiping, cannibals after all'

Coming from someone who has been known to be VERY Anti Catholic that is a big giant chasm that was crossed thanks to Apb. Sheen's wonderful programming.

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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/archbishop-fulton-sheen-becomes-venerable

Servant of God Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen is now “Venerable” after the Vatican announced today that Benedict XVI had signed a decree recognising that the archbishop heroically lived Christian virtues.
The announcement of the decree marks a significant step in the canonization cause of Peoria, Ill.-born Archbishop Sheen (1895-1979), the Emmy award-winning televangelist whose program, "Life is Worth Living," was broadcast from 1951 to 1957.
The Vatican now has to recognise a miracle has occurred through his intercession for him to be beatified, the penultimate step to canonization. Alleged miracles have been reported, which are now being assessed by experts in Rome.

For little over a year, the Congregation for the Causes of Saints has been examining his cause based on volumes of Archbishop Sheen’s life gathered in his home diocese of Peoria. The Congregation will have first examined if the archbishop had shown evidence of the three theological virtues of faith, hope and charity, and then the four cardinal virtues of prudence, justice, fortitude and temperance.
Theologians and cardinals will then have confirmed that he did indeed practice heroic virtue, leading the Holy Father, with the aid of the Consulters from the Congregation, to declare him "Venerable". Now that the Pope promulgated the decree of heroic virtue, the former bishop of Rochester, NY, may now be venerated by all the faithful.

Caraffa · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2012, 07:06:50 PM »

I hope this process goes no further. No disrespect to Archbishop Fulton Sheen, but he does not deserve to be canonized. Although he said many good and true things, he started to go off the rails in the late 1950's as he became more and more popular. He was also very supportive of Vatican II and its 'reforms.'

Quote from: Michael Solimanto at AQ, Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:11 pm

I am extremely familiar with this works, talks, and life. Everything he did through the 1940's was excellent, but in the 1950's he changed because of the T.V show and lost his truly Catholic tone. I used to adore everything the man said and did so I read his books, just about all of them (which is very repetitive since he repeats the same ideas over and over again in the majority of them).

-In Life is Worth Living he was quoting Teilard de Chardin, and had that line people remember him by where he states if you are not a Catholic we can all join together on our knees in prayer, with never a mention of conversion.

-In the book Footprints in a Darkened Forest he has his new "saints" and they include Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr, Mother Theresa, and I forgot the 4th although I think it was JFK.

-In his autobiography, Treasure in Clay, he makes 2 references to Card Ottaviani without naming him directly and both references were detraction against the man. The first was a joke about traditional stance and which Council he was going to with a taxi driver (Trent instead of Rome), and the other was about turning off the speaker when he was talking about changing the Mass and how funny it was and how they all applauded. He does not mention the context of the speech, or who he was.

-He had a desire, and an attempt to close down churches in Rochester and turn them into low-cost housing as an attempt to help the poor.

-His repetition later in life to recommend a Protestant Scripture scholar as a daily source of understanding Scripture over Catholic saints puzzles me.

For those reasons I hope he is not canonized with full and complete scrutiny because I don't understand the man later in life.

wisconsheepgirl · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2012, 01:05:06 AM »

I don't think anyone would say you are being disrespectful by disagreeing with Abp. Sheen's being 'made' [I don't know the right word to use] Venerable. You are a beautiful soul who does have a valid point and thank you for sharing it. I think there are times that those Priests that have supported Vatican II, God will/has taken care of the matter. It is that simple. However, in what I know, albeit very little for his lifetime work, based solely on, "Life is Worth Living" he does deserve the consideration.

For me personally, his work on the T.V. show via DVD did guide me when I was a poor, pathetic lost Pentecostal. So please forgive me if I am in error.

I personally have a few of those in consideration for sainthood that I find questionable as well, so I completely understand where you are coming from.

And let's hope and pray that his devil's advocate assigned to this process is fair, truthful and follows the Holy Spirit with regards to his life, his work and his priesthood.

SaintBasil · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:13:22 PM »

Fulton Sheen was a Supporter on the Unjust War in Vietnam, was Very Friendly to Known Freemasons and was rumoured to be one himself.

Doubtful he would be inducted had he not been.
20 years on TV and he nevr mentioned Jєωry, Jєωs or the Enemies of Our Faith & Holy Religion.

Sheen With Freemason Ecuмenist Heretic Prot- Billy Graham
http://www.fatimamovement.com/images/045_TheMusicFilmIndustry/FultonSheenBillyGraham.jpg

Statue of Sheen donated by 33 degree Freemason and Friend, Robert Schuller
http://archbishopfultonsheencentre.com/Statue%20at%20Crystal%20Cathedral.jpg

Freemason Heretic Prot & friend of Sheen, Robert Schuller
http://www.inplainsite.org/assets/images/RW-Robert-Schuller.jpg

Sheen with AntiPope and Khazar Jєω-John Paul 2
http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/HTimages_b-f/F041_Scheen_JPII.jpg

Sheen with Freemasonic AntiPope Roncalli
http://www.catholictv.com/_Docuмents/Video/343/sheenpopejohnMedium.jpg

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:19:38 PM »

Actually Sheen later rejected the Vietnam War.

I apologize but I refuse to admit that the Vietnam War that my grandfather fought in was unjust or an evil war. That sounds like something that the hippies in the counterculture would say. There were many mistakes made yes but the main premise was to keep South Vietnam out of Communist hands.

SaintBasil · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:22:20 PM »

The statue photo that I posted stands now at Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral Church in California. He is a Protestant Heretic Freemason.

The late Catholic Bishop Fulton J. Sheen was a covert member of the Masonic Lodge, his lodge brother, Reverend Robert Schuller, honored Sheen by erecting a statue of him.

2 friends of Sheen: Schuller with Billy Graham sharing a Masonic Handshake.
http://www.cephas-library.com/masonic_handshakes/bgea2.jpg

Schuller with Gorbachev of USSR and their Masonic Handshake
http://www.whale.to/c/masonic-hand-schuller-gorbatsjov.jpg

Schuller with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Heretic Freemason Paul Croch of TBN
http://www.cephas-library.com/masonic_handshakes/bgea4.jpg

SaintBasil · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:31:26 PM »

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Actually Sheen later rejected the Vietnam War.

I apologize but I refuse to admit that the Vietnam War that my grandfather fought in was unjust or an evil war. That sounds like something that the hippies in the counterculture would say. There were many mistakes made yes but the main premise was to keep South Vietnam out of Communist hands.

Thank you for that correction, you are correct.
I had him confused with His Superior, Cardinal Spellman, who Openly supported Vietnam.
'When his fame and outspoken statements against the Vietnam war were seen as challenging the church hierarchy, ... Cardinal Francis Spellman "exiled" Sheen, making him Bishop of Rochester.'

YOur Grandfather had little Choice, as hewas Drafted, after a Lie aka The Gulf Of Tonkin.
I dont care if your Mother fought in Vietnam, it was an Offense to GOD, to Humanity, and to every person that believes in Justice and Christ.
It was all based on a LIE: The Gulf Of Tonkin, which Never happened and 2 Million were dead.
The USA Killed the Democratically elected Catholic Leader Thuc and His entire family in Brutal fashion and Installed a Puppet.

If you wish to hear President LBJ admit to this assasination, (Violation of Geneva Convention) here it is on tape.

Kissinger & Jєωrys Vietnam war was to Bolshevize The region, set up trade favorable trade agreements and lease agreements for offshore gas and oil drilling rights, and to export Opium out of the triangle.

We Killed off the opposition in the South (THUC) FOR Communism and the Intelligentsia as well, (Operation Phoenix Killed 50,000 Vietnamese via CIA).
Mission accomplished
Yours is a very flawed and superficial Freshman version of non events regarding Vietnam. As a Catholic, you should be ashamed. You are no dummy

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:36:55 PM »

Quote from: SaintBasil

I dont care if your Mother fought in Vietnam, it was an Offense to GOD to Humanity and to every person that believes in Justice and Christ.
It was all based on a LIE: The Gulf Of Tonkin, which Never happened and 2 Million were dead.
The USA Killed the Democratically elected Catholic Leader Thuc and His entire family in Brutal fashion and Installed a Puppet.

If you wish to hear President LBJ admit to this assasination, (Violation of Geneva Convention) here it is on tape.

Kissinger & Jєωrys Vietnam war was to Bolshevize The region, set up trade favorable trade agreements and lease agreements for offshore gas and oil drilling rights, and to export Opium out of the triangle.

I am well aware of the Gulf of Tonkin and you are correct that we went to war in Vietnam on the lie that the North Vietnemese attacked us but you could go back further to where JFK overthrew President Diem and made Vietnam America's war. In fact the reason the American people turned against Vietnam was that the way JFK and LBJ fought the war made it seem unwinnable.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 01, 2012, 01:21:24 AM »

You might be onto something though since it is almost impossible in this country to create a foreign policy not approved of by the Jєωs and during the Cold War the Jєωs dominated America's opinion in respect to Russian matters.

Vladimir · « **Reply #9 on:** July 01, 2012, 01:32:09 AM »

Quote from: SaintBasil

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
Actually Sheen later rejected the Vietnam War.

I apologize but I refuse to admit that the Vietnam War that my grandfather fought in was unjust or an evil war. That sounds like something that the hippies in the counterculture would say. There were many mistakes made yes but the main premise was to keep South Vietnam out of Communist hands.

Thank you for that correction, you are correct.
I had him confused with His Superior, Cardinal Spellman, who Openly supported Vietnam.
'When his fame and outspoken statements against the Vietnam war were seen as challenging the church hierarchy, ... Cardinal Francis Spellman "exiled" Sheen, making him Bishop of Rochester.'

YOur Grandfather had little Choice, as hewas Drafted, after a Lie aka The Gulf Of Tonkin.
I dont care if your Mother fought in Vietnam, it was an Offense to GOD, to Humanity, and to every person that believes in Justice and Christ.
It was all based on a LIE: The Gulf Of Tonkin, which Never happened and 2 Million were dead.
The USA Killed the Democratically elected Catholic Leader Thuc and His entire family in Brutal fashion and Installed a Puppet.

If you wish to hear President LBJ admit to this assasination, (Violation of Geneva Convention) here it is on tape.

Kissinger & Jєωrys Vietnam war was to Bolshevize The region, set up trade favorable trade agreements and lease agreements for offshore gas and oil drilling rights, and to export Opium out of the triangle.

We Killed off the opposition in the South (THUC) FOR Communism and the Intelligentsia as well, (Operation Phoenix Killed 50,000 Vietnamese via CIA).
Mission accomplished
Yours is a very flawed and superficial Freshman version of non events regarding Vietnam. As a Catholic, you should be ashamed. You are no dummy

The U.S.A.'s involvement in the Vietnam War was shameful.

The Vietnamese struggle against Communism was not.

Some confuse the two and think that they are inseparable.

If the Americans wanted to help the South Vietnamese government, why did they insist on controlling the all the movements of the South Vietnamese army and only provide them with outdated weapons?

the South Vietnamese government and society was a mix, and it is hard to generalize, because there were so many things to consider, but:

1) Ngo Dinh Diem was a good man and a good leader.
2) The anti-Catholic Buddhist demonstrators were actors and Communist agents
3) America led to the Communist victory
4) The Communists are not true Vietnamese and their claim to humanity is dubious.

Inverness · « **Reply #10 on:** July 01, 2012, 07:41:49 PM »

So I stumble on this traditional Catholic forum, thinking I've found a more orthodox alternative to catholic.com. I see this thread on Fulton Sheen being made venerable. "Cool, Fulton Sheen is great," I thought.

In 9 posts, on the subject of the canonization of Bishop Sheen, the following is discussed:

-Fulton Sheen = Freemason

-Various Freemason cօռspιʀαcιҽs

-Pope John XXIII = Antipope

-John Paul II = Antipope

-Various Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs

-The Vietnam War, also possible cօռspιʀαcιҽs

ETA: I apologize, I don't mean to come in here and trash you guys. As someone who is new to Catholicism and is always craving more orthodoxy, this type of stuff is a bit disturbing. Is this an accurate representation of traditional Catholicism?

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #11 on:** July 01, 2012, 08:38:28 PM »

I don't think Bishop Sheen was a Freemason, but the other "cօռspιʀαcιҽs" you mention are true.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2012, 09:58:39 PM »

Bishop Fulton Sheen in a procession of Bishops in 1958 Chicago.

One reasons my Mother became a Catholic was the radio, and
television preachings of Bishop Fulton Sheen.
My Mother lead me into the church with the rest of my brothers
and sisters and were baptized at St.James Catholic Church in
Redondo Beach,California.

Vladimir · « **Reply #13 on:** July 01, 2012, 10:25:34 PM »

Quote from: Inverness

So I stumble on this traditional Catholic forum, thinking I've found a more orthodox alternative to catholic.com. I see this thread on Fulton Sheen being made venerable. "Cool, Fulton Sheen is great," I thought.

In 9 posts, on the subject of the canonization of Bishop Sheen, the following is discussed:

-Fulton Sheen = Freemason

-Various Freemason cօռspιʀαcιҽs

-Pope John XXIII = Antipope

-John Paul II = Antipope

-Various Jєωιѕн cօռspιʀαcιҽs

-The Vietnam War, also possible cօռspιʀαcιҽs

ETA: I apologize, I don't mean to come in here and trash you guys. As someone who is new to Catholicism and is always craving more orthodoxy, this type of stuff is a bit disturbing. Is this an accurate representation of traditional Catholicism?

In all honesty - "conspiracy theories" do seem fairly standard of the online traditional Catholic communities. Rarely, in my experience, has this translated into the chapel or parish community in "real life".

Apologies for diverting the thread with my post on the Vietnam War. However, as someone with connections with people who served in the South Vietnamese army and people who lived under Communists and the South in Vietnam, the issue is close to my heart.

theology101 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2012, 12:06:17 AM »

Quote from: SaintBasil

Quote from: Traditional Guy 20

Kissinger & Jєωrys Vietnam war was to Bolshevize The region, set up trade favorable trade agreements and lease agreements for offshore gas and oil drilling rights, and to export Opium out of the triangle.

We Killed off the opposition in the South (THUC) FOR Communism and the Intelligentsia as well, (Operation Phoenix Killed 50,000 Vietnamese via CIA).
Mission accomplished
Yours is a very flawed and superficial Freshman version of non events regarding Vietnam. As a Catholic, you should be ashamed. You are no dummy

Same reason for just about every war in history- resources and power projection. Plus America wanted to show up the French, who were forced to abandon their own efforts in Indochine.