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Date of Founding of the Church
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2011, 09:54:59 PM »
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Has the Church ever, in any authoritative ay, even expressed an opinion about this?  Whatever the case, it seems to me that the exact dates are hardly that important, whatever they are.


To my knowledge, the Church has never made a solemn declaration on the precise date of the birth of Jesus.  

But I would suggest that the immemorial use of the calendar and the constant use of the dating system is pretty darn authoritative.  

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Also, I have read that the census that the gospels seem to be talking about relating to Our Lord's birth would have taken place in 4 BC. Doe it really matter to anyone but historians?


Yes.  This is a common attack on the Church.  And it is an attack to demonstrate that the Church is wrong about a pretty fundamental issue--the birth of God on earth.  After all, if the Catholic Church is truly the Church founded by Jesus Christ Himself, surely the Catholic Church would know when her Founder was born.  Other religious denominations know when their respective founders were born.  

Get and read the book I reference above for an explanation as to why the objections that place the census, and therefore the Birth of Christ, somewhere between 7 to 4 B.C. are erroneous (and often deliberately so).

Date of Founding of the Church
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2011, 08:19:28 AM »
Stolen from another forum:

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Here is the latest title from Tradibooks

The Dates of the Birth and Death of Jesus Christ

by General Hugues de Nanteuil


This book can be previewed or purchased on-line at http://www.lulu.com/tradibooks which gives the full list of our seven currently published titles, or at http://www.lulu.com/content/2330912 which is the specific link for General de Nanteuil's book.

Here is a brief summary.

The western world continues to date events from the birth of Christ. Our calendar is thus one of the last relics of Christian civilisation. It provides a constant reminder to an unbelieving world of the pivotal event of human history: the Incarnation of God the Son some two thousand years ago. But is it accurate? Was 1 A.D. truly the first “year of the Lord”? Was Christ in fact crucified under Pontius Pilate in 33 A.D. as Christian tradition tells us? Is there any way of knowing for sure?
Since the Renaissance most scholars answer, No. Their evidence is that Flavius Josephus, the almost contemporary Jєωιѕн historian, places the death of Herod in 4 B.C., and Herod must have been still alive when Christ was born to order the slaughter of the Innocents.
In this book, General Hugues de Nanteuil shows that it was Josephus, not the Church, who got his sums wrong. The author invokes the unanimous witness of the early Fathers, the Roman archives of the census of Augustus and Pilate’s report of the Crucifixion, the pagan testimonies to the eclipse that accompanied Christ’s death, the astonishing chronological accuracy of Dionysius the Little’s lunar calculations, the concurrence of religious feasts with identifiable astronomical phenomena, the unreliability and self-contradictions of Josephus. While vindicating the Christian calendar he also provides a mass of fascinating testimony to the historical truth of the Christian faith.

In addition to General de Nanteuil's scholarship, which we have translated with the authorisation of the French publishers Messrs Téqui, the book also includes a new historical appendix on "Jesus Christ in the Roman Records". The Roman records in question are the archives of the census of the emperor Augustus (the census which brought the Holy Family to Bethlehem) and the report of Pontius Pilate to the Emperor Tiberius Cæsar on the crucifixion.


Source: http://www.sedevacantist.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=748&start=0

Sounds interesting! I think I'll have to pick it up sometime. Thanks TKGS!


Date of Founding of the Church
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2011, 10:13:42 PM »
TKGS,

I will track down the book and read it.  Thanks.