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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Templars
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2019, 08:00:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on June 16, 2019, 07:41:57 PM
    If the Chinon Parchment( which is probably a fraud) absolved Templars, the Bulls of Pope Clem V would be repealed: this has not happened. Quit spread disinfo :sleep:

    See the 2007 repeal: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vatican-templars/knights-templar-win-heresy-reprieve-after-700-years-idUSL093422320071012

    Nevertheless, if they were innocent of heresy, it seems there was quite a bit of immorality, such that I will no longer be defending them.
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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #16 on: June 16, 2019, 08:14:48 PM »
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    • My guess is that you have not even read the Bulls of Clem V... :confused:

    There are some of us here that Do Not recognise  authority of the v2 anti-church nor any of it's actions. Therefore the alleged reprieve of Templars is actually not.
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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #17 on: June 16, 2019, 08:20:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 16, 2019, 08:00:44 PM
    See the 2007 repeal: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vatican-templars/knights-templar-win-heresy-reprieve-after-700-years-idUSL093422320071012

    Nevertheless, if they were innocent of heresy, it seems there was quite a bit of immorality, such that I will no longer be defending them.
    This is correct-- it is mucho more than heresy :cheers:
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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #18 on: June 16, 2019, 10:35:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on June 16, 2019, 04:51:33 PM
    Infallible Bulls of Pope Clement V re: condemnation of KTemplars

    VOX IN EXCELSO
    AD PROVIDAM
    CONSIDERANTES
    NUPER IN CONSILLO
    LICET DUDEM
    LICET PRIDEM
    UNTITLED-- 22 MARCH 1312
    --------------1 DEC 1312
    -------------- 31 DEC 1312
    -------------- 13 JAN 1313

    :baby:
    Those bulls were not infallible proclamations. They may have referred to matters of discipline but not matters of faith and morals.
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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #19 on: June 16, 2019, 10:48:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 16, 2019, 07:47:45 PM

    In light of all this, I will be changing my avatar soon to that of a Knight Hospitaller.

    How about this one?


    A "blood soaked" fighter... is you!

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #20 on: June 17, 2019, 11:56:35 AM »
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    • My husband was fixated on them about two years ago.  He knows a lot about them.
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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #21 on: June 17, 2019, 01:09:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 16, 2019, 10:35:35 PM
    Those bulls were not infallible proclamations. They may have referred to matters of discipline but not matters of faith and morals.
    Sorry but to gain a better understanding of Papal Infallibility, I would advise reading Fr Cuthbert- Butler History Of Vatican Council :fryingpan:
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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #22 on: June 17, 2019, 02:48:26 PM »
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    • Fr Butler explains levels of Papal Infallibility as follows

    1-- Church Council such as Nicea, Trent etc w/ Placet of the Pope
    2-- Papal Bull
    3-- Papal Encyclical

    ---- Everything else

    :cheers:

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #23 on: June 17, 2019, 04:09:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on June 17, 2019, 02:48:26 PM
    Fr Butler explains levels of Papal Infallibility as follows

    1-- Church Council such as Nicea, Trent etc w/ Placet of the Pope
    2-- Papal Bull
    3-- Papal Encyclical

    ---- Everything else

    :cheers:
    Roscoe,

    Is Pope Francis infallible when he changes the "Gloria In Excelsis Deo" ?

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    Re: Templars
    « Reply #24 on: June 17, 2019, 10:40:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on June 17, 2019, 04:09:43 PM
    Roscoe,

    Is Pope Francis infallible when he changes the "Gloria In Excelsis Deo" ?
    Or when he changes the Pater Noster?
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