Author Topic: Apostate Priest Damns Himself! (Read 7613 times)

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #20 on:** June 05, 2019, 08:23:48 PM »

To make a public abjuration of the Catholic religion constitutes a formal act of apostasy which places one outside the Church (and therefore salvation).

That being the case, the issue of heresy becomes moot.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2019, 08:27:33 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 05, 2019, 08:23:48 PM

To make a public abjuration of the Catholic religion constitutes a formal act of apostasy which places one outside the Church (and therefore salvation).

That being the case, the issue of heresy becomes moot.

Is there a distinction between formal apostasy and material apostasy?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2019, 08:41:35 PM »

A Resistance priest tells me:

"Father Constantine is a Doctor of Philosophy and professor of Slavic and Russian History in the Pontifical Oriental Institute (Rome), and he was its vice rector, a member of Jesuit Order,and adviser of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity."

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 05, 2019, 09:45:55 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 05, 2019, 08:02:21 PM

Ah, here we go. Just watch that video. Do these people have the Catholic faith? They explicitly reject the true rule of faith.

If you do not have the proper formal motive of faith, then you have no supernatural faith ... whether this be lacking by your own fault or by simple absence.

Even if they happen to have some material beliefs in common with Catholics, they hold them with a completely false rule, a non-infallible rule insufficient for supernatural faith.

You are blinded into believing that simply because there's a bigger overlap in the Venn diagram that charts the objective beliefs of the two groups, i.e. because they're closer to us materially than other groups are, that they have the formal motive of supernatural faith. They do not.

That's why a person who denies a single truth of faith becomes a formal heretic ... even if he continues to hold every other truth ... because in doing so he rejects the rule behind them ALL, and the truths he continues to hold materially he does not hold with the proper formal motive. FORMAL vs. MATERIAL heresy have nothing to do with "sincerity".

I was talking about EOs in general, not those particular people. That said, what would you define as the "true rule of faith?"

I'm guessing you're gonna say something like believing something because the Catholic Church teaches it, which gets really really confusing when it comes to the Orthodox, since they also call themselves Catholic (even though of course they're wrong about which Church is the Catholic Church.)

At any rate, lying about the Catholic Church certainly seems like obstinate heresy to me.

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 05, 2019, 09:50:32 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 05, 2019, 08:23:48 PM

To make a public abjuration of the Catholic religion constitutes a formal act of apostasy which places one outside the Church (and therefore salvation).

That being the case, the issue of heresy becomes moot.

When I made that comment, I was referring to all of the Eastern Orthodox throughout the entire world, not this particular individual., I agree, I can't see how someone who commits a formal act of apostasy like that can possibly be inside the Church. *perhaps* you could make the case (though I realize nobody here would) that that could be the case if the person really didn't know what they were rejecting, but its impossible to say that in the case of this priest.

The more I ponder this, the more I think my original objection to Matthew's comment was likely wrong.

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