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Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
« Reply #105 on: September 12, 2017, 10:47:00 PM »
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  • I just wanna add something to this thread...about the Nibiru thing...



    Did you notice what WASN'T in the skies during totality?  Nibiru.  Notice what isn't on YouTube footage of Nibiru cultists?  Anything out of the ordinary for an eclipse.  

    You might have people trying to post stuff on YouTube saying that they've got Nibiru on film or some such thing. It's nonsense.  You clearly can discern that they are lens flares.  

    I think we can stick a fork in the Nibiru idea.  I've no idea what Project Leak will do (or whatever they're called).  
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    Anyone who claims to have a photograph of Nibiru and it's not a flat Nibiru is someone using CGI.
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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #106 on: September 12, 2017, 10:51:42 PM »
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    Can you even IMAGINE the nerve?
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    Making up this fake picture of an earth that isn't flat, just to hide the truth?
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    When are people going to wake up to the fact that we're being lied to?
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    There must be millions of deceivers working day and night to keep the truth from going public.
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    And using the tragedy of a killer hurricane to promote their deception--how unconscionable. 
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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #107 on: September 13, 2017, 03:40:51 AM »
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    Can you even IMAGINE the nerve?
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    Making up this fake picture of an earth that isn't flat, just to hide the truth?
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    When are people going to wake up to the fact that we're being lied to?
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    There must be millions of deceivers working day and night to keep the truth from going public.
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    And using the tragedy of a killer hurricane to promote their deception--how unconscionable.
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    What hurricanes? NASA made them up too just to pretend the picture is real.

    And add to this, people wreaked their houses and crashed their cars to make it look like NASA was right. They were all paid huge sums of money. Where do you think all NASA funding goes. 

    Anything to get us to believe satellites exist?

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    « Reply #108 on: September 13, 2017, 04:53:44 AM »
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  • The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4][5] founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials from theZeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain.


    Wikipedia? Please.

    Would you believe one of these guys, maybe their leader, was interviewed on NEWSTALK (Irish radio) the other day. I switched on during their conversation. He said aliens exist and had made contact with him. He sounded quite intelligent and nice, as though he believed in what he was saying. The interviewer let him go on and on as though he was taking him serious. I was waiting for him to burst out laughing but he resisted. 

    These aliens are good guys concerned only with helping the human race no matter what religion.They prefer to remain invisible or maybe they are spirits, he said. Now there is no answer to that, is there?

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    « Reply #109 on: September 13, 2017, 07:03:20 PM »
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  • What hurricanes? NASA made them up too just to pretend the picture is real.

    And add to this, people wreaked their houses and crashed their cars to make it look like NASA was right. They were all paid huge sums of money. Where do you think all NASA funding goes.

    Anything to get us to believe satellites exist?
    You forgot to mention the dozens of people who were so dedicated they went and drowned themselves.

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    « Reply #110 on: September 13, 2017, 07:09:51 PM »
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  •  Where do you think all NASA funding goes.


    I think that some of the funding goes toward arms (weaponry) sales around the world. But then they get the money back, when the weapons are paid for, of course. How do you think that all of the regime changes in the middle east and elsewhere are accomplished? Though I think that the U.S. government (or rather, the military-industrial complex) sells arms to anyone who will buy them, whether they are friend or foe. NASA is the conduit that is able to help with the transport of the arms. 

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    « Reply #111 on: September 21, 2017, 01:29:58 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis and cassini, 

    Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.

    Please allow me to make an exception from this rule so that I may ask of you to listen to this short interview and provide a comment...

    This morning Beck gave an interview to David Meade, author of the book Planet X - 2017 The Arrival...

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/

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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #112 on: September 21, 2017, 02:56:51 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis and cassini,

    Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.

    Please allow me to make an exception from this rule so that I may ask of you to listen to this short interview and provide a comment...

    This morning Beck gave an interview to David Meade, author of the book Planet X - 2017 The Arrival...

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/

    Two points made here St Ignatious, Revelation 12 and then the problem from a planet X

    Revelation 12 is indeed due to be fulfilled soon. What it means as regards the future, we do not know. A wise friend told me not to forecast any catastrophes to come because if they do not then you undermine Heaven's real purpose in the happening. Suffice to know such a star (and planet) formation was prophesied so long ago and it came to be. Perhaps there is the message, that you can count on the word of God.

    Planet X is, for the moment, a conspiracy theory. You can speculate non-stop about such things, but bringing God or the Catholic faith into it is not recommended. Again, should it prove untrue, then you damage the faith by associating it with a false story.

    In 1459, Pope Pius II, in his Errors of Zanini de Solcia,  warned of the errors in such speculation, specifically that the earth would be naturally destroyed by the heat of the sun. One could add to that by any other natural occurrence.

    God will decide the fate of the Earth and only He knows the future.
     


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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #113 on: September 21, 2017, 03:18:57 PM »
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  • Hi St Ignatius,
    THANKS for posting.  This is a GREAT interview.  I've heard of this astronomer gentleman and he has a lot of good info.  He tied planet x to fatima, the apocalypse and to general catholic prophecy...I agreed with most everything except the talk of the "7 years of tribulation" (this is a protestant interpretation of the apocalypse, not necessarily catholic).  I wish the interview was longer.

    It's interesting that the title of the interview on Glen Beck's website says "and the end of the AGE" instead of the end of time.  I do believe that we are entering a new age for the church, (the 6th age...so not the end of time) according to Venerable Fr Bartholomew Holzhauser's prophecies, which are basically a commentary on the book of Apocalypse and how it relates to the church.  ...But!  Before we get to the 6th age, the 5th age must end and it's not going to end quietly or peacefully.

    I would also like to point out that I believe that St Malachy's papal prophecies (which were discovered in 1590) are for the 5th age of the Church; that's why they end with "Gloria Olivae".  It also mentions "Peter the Roman" but that is obviously the very last pope in time and we obviously aren't there yet.  So, this was St Malachy's way of saying that Gloria Olivae is the last pope on my list...but there's more after that, including the last one.  Just my opinion, of course.  But if you believe in Fr Holzhauer's prophecies (as well as Fatima and countless other prophecies) then you have to believe that there will be a "time of peace" and normalcy in the Church.  Ergo, there has to be more popes that what St Malachy listed.  The "ages" of the Church solves this problem.

    http://jeanneshouseafire.blogspot.com/2013/12/venerable-holzhausers-visions_21.html


    [1520 AD -- ??] THE FIFTH EPOCH, which commences with the birth of Protestantism, and wherein we still live, is the state of“TRIBULATION,” (status afflictionis.) [The Protestant movement... is popularly considered to have begun in 1517 when Luther published The Ninety-Five Theses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism]

    “This,” says Holzhauser, “is a state of trouble, desolation, humiliation, and poverty for the church. We may with just reason call it a state of purification, in which the Lord Jesus Christ has sifted His wheat, and will sift it again by wars, by seditions, by famines, by epidemics, and other scourges, by the tribulation and the poverty which He will suffer to weigh on the Latin church, by means of heretics and bad Christians, who will take from her the greater part of her bishoprics and countless monasteries, especially the wealthier ones. She is oppressed even by Catholic princes, and despoiled by means of taxes, imposts, and other extortions; so that we may say, in groaning with the prophet Jeremiah, ‘The queen of nations hath been placed under the yoke.’ The church is (Beykirch, p. 138) become poor and miserable, because she hath been calumniated by heretics, because her ministers are despised by bad Christians, who render them neither honor nor respect. By all these means God will sift His wheat; He will cast the chaff away to be burnt, and will gather the wheat into His barns. This fifth state of the church is the state of tribulation, the state of apostasy, full of miseries of every kind. Few will be spared by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence. We shall see kingdom rise against kingdom; empires will be divided in themselves, and brought to desolation; principalities and monarchies will be overturned, and almost the whole world will sink into poverty. The greatest desolation will reign over the earth. 

    All this hath in part been already accomplished (1656 AD); a part remains yet to be accomplished. These things will come to pass by the very just judgment of God, because of the accumulated mass of our iniquities, whereof our fathers and ourselves have filled up the measure, at the moment when the mercy of Almighty God awaited our doing penance. The fifth day of creation, on which the earth brought forth birds, fishes, and beasts of the field, is a type of this epoch, wherein men, like to the birds of the air and the fishes of the water, give themselves up to license, sink to the level of the brute, and wallow in lust. In this lamentable state of the church divine and human laws are without force, and made of light account; the doctrines and precepts of the church are despised; ecclesiastical discipline is not better observed by the priests, than political order is maintained by the people. Every one, like the beasts of the field, believes what he pleases, and doth what he wills.

    “The correspondence of this period with the fifth age of the ancient world, from Solomon down to the Babylonian captivity, is extremely striking. Then Israel fell into idolatry, and Judah and Benjamin were alone true to the covenant. So in the times we speak of, a large portion of the Catholic population has fallen away from the true church; while a small number only of good Christians has survived. The Jewish state was then ruined, and was harassed and oppressed by heathens; so also has the holy Roman empire of Germany been ravaged and dismembered by the neighboring nations.

    “To this [fifth] age has been accorded the [SPIRITUAL] GIFT OF COUNSEL; for counsel did the church need in order to counteract such fearful calamities, and to uphold the Catholic faith. This gift of counsel was revealed in the Council of Trent, in the institution of the Society of Jesus, by whose exertions, learning, and sanctity, the Catholic faith and the church throughout Europe, were rescued from destruction. 

    “A type of this epoch is the Church of Sardis—a word that signifies the beginning of beauty; for the calamities of this period will be the beginning of a better time. Divine providence hath wisely ordained that the church which He will cause to endure unto the end of the world, should be moistened from time to time (Beykirch, p. 139) with the waters of tribulation, as the gardener watered his garden in the time of drought.”(Beykirch, pp. 21-23).


    --- The sixth age of the Church ---

    In the next passage we leave what the Indians call the Caliyuga, or present age of misery and perturbation, and soar with the prophet into those pure serene times, which will witness the complete and glorious triumph of Christ’s Church upon earth. As these different epochs are not separated one from the other by any harsh dissonance; but the concluding tones of the succeeding period; so the conclusion of the fifth age will be marked by great conquests of the church. And of these conquests we think we already discern the beginning. 

    “THE SIXTH PERIOD of the church the (status consolationis)—time of “CONSOLATION” begins with the HOLY POPE and the POWERFUL EMPEROR, and terminates with the birth of Anti-christ. (Revelations, 3: 7, 10.)

    “This will be an age of solace, wherein God will console His church after the many mortifications and afflictions she had endured in the fifth period. For all nations will be brought to the unity of the true Catholic faith.

    “A type of this period was the sixth age of the old world, from the deliverance of the Israelites out of the Babylonian captivity, and the rebuilding of the city and of the temple of Jerusalem, down to the coming of Christ. As God gladdened His people by the rebuilding of the temple and of the holy city; as all kingdoms and nations were subjected to the Roman empire; and Caesar August, the most powerful and excellent monarch, after vanquishing all his enemies, gave for fifty-six years, peace to the world; so will God pour out upon His church, that witnessed in the fifth period nought be affliction, the most abundant consolations. 

    But this happy age will be ushered in under the following circumstances. When all is desolated with war; when the church and the priests must pay taxes; when Catholics are oppressed by heretics, and their faithless fellow-religionists; when monarchs are murdered; subjects oppressed; when riches are extirpated; when every thing concurs to bring about the establishment of Republics; then will the hand of the Almighty produce a marvelous change, according to human notions seemingly impossible. For that STRONG MONARCH, (whose name is to be “the help of God,”) will as the envoy of the Almighty, root up these Republics. He will subject all things to him self, and will zealously assist the true Church of Christ. All heresies will be banished into hell; the Turkish empire will be overthrown to its foundations, and his dominion will extend from east to west. All nations will come, and will worship the Lord in the one true Catholic Faith. Many righteous men will (Beykirch, p. 140) flourish, and many learned men will arise. Men will love justice and righteousness, and peace will dwell on the whole earth. For the Omnipotent will bind Satan for many years, until the advent of him who is to come,--the son of perdition. 

    “In respect to perfection, this period corresponds to the sixth day of creation, on which God created man after His own image, and subjected to him, as lord of creation, all creatures of the earth. So will man be now a true image of God, (in righteousness and holiness), and the STRONG MONARCH will rule over all nations. 

    “The sixth gift of the SPIRIT, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, will in this period be poured out upon the church; for men will fear the Lord their God, keep His commandments, and serve him with their whole heart. The scriptures will be understood after one uniform fashion, without contradiction and error, so that all will marvel they had so long misunderstood the clear sense of holy writ. The sciences will be multiplied and completed, and men will receive extraordinary illumination in natural, as well as divine knowledge.” (Beykirch, p. 27 – 29). 

    The tenth chapter of the Apocalypse comprises, according to Holzhauser, special revelations respecting the MIGHTY MONARCH and the ENLIGHTENED POPE, as we may reasonably assume, that God would not leave the world without some indication as to these great Renovators of an age apparently not very remote.

    Revelations (Apocalypse) 10: 1-7 “And I saw, another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud; and a rainbow was on his head, and his face was as the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire.And he had in his hand a little book open; and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot upon the earth; and he cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars... And the angel whom I saw standing upon the sea and upon the earth, lifted up his hand, and swore by Him who created all things, that time shall be no longer; but that the mystery of God shall be finished, as He hath declared by His servants the prophets.”

    [Holzhauser writes] “This is the lofty description of that MIGHTY MONARCH sent by God.He is a mighty angel, for no one can resist him, the envoy of God. He will come down from heaven; that is to say, he will be born in the bosom of the Catholic church.The cloud with which he is clothed signifies humility, with which, from youth upward, and without any great parade, he walks in the simplicity of his heart.The protection of God is also thereby indicated, that, on account of his humility, will encompass him.The rainbow about his head denotes, that he will bring peace to the whole earth.The solar luster of his brow signifies the splendor of his glory, his honor, his holiness, his talents, so that all princes will follow (Beykirch, p. 141) his example.The fiery pillars symbolize the vast extent of his power, and the fire of his religious zeal...

    “The spread of the church over all countries will take place by the instrumentality of this STRONG MONARCH, and before the destruction of the world, Christianity will be preached to all nations of the earth; as this is foretold in Matthew 24: 4; in Isaiah 2: 2; and in Micheas (Micah) 4: 2. To this wide diffusion of Christianity allusion is made, when John is obliged to measure the temple of God.(Apocalypse 11: 1).

    “And John saw one sitting upon a cloud, a son of man, with a golden crown upon his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand.(Apocalypse 14: 14)

    [Holzhauser writes] This is the second vision respecting the MIGHTY MONARCH; the crown is that of the holy Roman empire;the sickle in his hand, his unconquerable army, with which, without sustaining a defeat, he will vanquish all the enemies of God and His church.

    “And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat upon the cloud, ‘Thrust in thy sickle, and reap, because the hour is come to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.’ (Apocalypse 14: 15).

    [Holzhauser explains] “This angel of the Lord is that GREAT AND HOLY POPE, who, moved by God, will cry out of the sanctuary of the church to that MIGHTY MONARCH, to root out the tares of wickedness, for the harvest is over-ripe; the measure of sins and abominations is overflowing. Instructed by a divine revelation, the HOLY POPE will, by communicating the same, stir up the hearts of princes to a common war; and God will touch the hearts of the soldiers, that, animated with one spirit, they all will adhere to the MIGHTY MONARCH.” (Beykirch, pp. 30 – 32).

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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #114 on: September 21, 2017, 06:50:25 PM »
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  • Thank you Pax Vobis and cassini for your comments... I really do appreciate them. I did find that there was some contrast between the comments, but neither where lacking of being insightful.

    I wish I would have used my mind more efficiently when I was younger, learning new things now is becoming more difficult for me. As they say, with age, the first thing to go is your mind...

    I do find this study extremely interesting and will attempt a better understanding of it. Thank you both again.

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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #115 on: September 21, 2017, 06:55:04 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis and cassini,

    Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.

    Please allow me to make an exception from this rule so that I may ask of you to listen to this short interview and provide a comment...

    This morning Beck gave an interview to David Meade, author of the book Planet X - 2017 The Arrival...

    http://www.glennbeck.com/content/audio/92117-planet-x-and-the-end-of-the-age-w-david-meade/
    Glenn Beck actually talked about flat earth on his show the day after the eclipse. *gasp*


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    Re: Apocalypse Ch 12: Sign of the Woman and Planet X - Nirubu - The Red Dragon
    « Reply #116 on: September 21, 2017, 07:02:40 PM »
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  • Glenn Beck actually talked about flat earth on his show the day after the eclipse. *gasp*
    Normally, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy to listen to anything from Glenn Beck.
    Okay... there might be an exception...

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  • Book 12 of St John's Apocalypse,

    'And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: And being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered. And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems:  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered; that, when she should be delivered, he might devour her son.  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne.'

    It seems to me that this simply passage recalls Genesis, where Satan the Devil (a great red dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns: and on his head seven diadems), who influences one third of the angels to deny God the Trinity, and who were accordingly cast down to Hell on Earth by God. It also repeats that the woman Mary would bring forth a Son (Jesus) Who would be met by the Devil and his fallen angels dedicated to destroying that Kingship of Christ intended by God to rule the world. 
     
    It seems to me, as I suggested above, the sign in the stars we are about to witness, gives credibility to Genesis as revealed by God to us through Moses. It send a universal sign to all who will heed it that Christianity is indeed the will of God. Surely that should be enough to confirm us in our faith, a 7000 year old prediction come true.


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  • Tomorrow so many Protestations will be disappointed to find themselves still here, I say to them perhaps because there are so few Protestant true to the teachings of Christ that no one missed the few if any who were raptured up.
    Galatians 1; 8
    But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.

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  • I don't think anything dramatic is going to happen tomorrow, other than the astronomical sign in the stars.

    Our Lord told us that we are to "look up" and to "watch" and pray. He also told us the stars were made for "signs" (in Genesis).

    I do think this sign is probably a signal about the imminent start of the 7 years Tribulation.



     

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