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Offline InfiniteFaith

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Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
« on: January 04, 2015, 09:37:46 PM »
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  • Just curious. Seems to me like they are mostly taken at a young age. Is it common for SSPXers to get married in their early 20's?

    Anyone looking for somebody by any chance?


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    Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
    « Reply #1 on: January 04, 2015, 09:41:48 PM »
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  • Also, what do you think would be an appropriate age range for a 31 year old male?


    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    « Reply #2 on: January 04, 2015, 11:06:45 PM »
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  • There seems to be a correlation with religiosity and the age one gets married.

    I went to high school with some very devout Protestants. Out of the ones I know personally, two are already married and one is engaged. To put it in perspective, I graduated 3 years ago, which makes all of them no older than 20.

    So, yes, probably.

    And for your other question, go within 3-4 years of your own age. It allows for people who've grown up at the same pace as you. Seek people who actually want marriage and kids and not the common-law concubinage our society has settled for.
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    Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2015, 08:18:34 AM »
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  • Age gaps matter less the older you get but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say a 5-7 year gap is ok in your thirties, a 7-10 year gap is alright in your forties, and if you're still looking in your 50s, good on you if you can get a good woman in her late 30s! I wouldn't dip into the late 20s age range unless you're still in your thirties. However, it's very rare for women to hold out that long and even rarer for them to cross over from the Novus Ordo, which directly caters to them. The good news is, by the time someone that rare comes down the pike, it should hit you like an anvil! You'll also have a lot of competition... God be with you guys and don't get too lonely out there.  

    Then there's the issue of how to raise kids traditionally in this day and age, so I hope you have a plan and the wherewithal to follow it through.
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    Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2015, 03:13:03 PM »
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  • I didn't get married until I was 40.  Having said that, both my husband and I were Novus Ordo at the time and found the True Catholic Faith after we were married.
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    Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
    « Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 03:19:39 PM »
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  • 18 - 22 is a good age for girls. :dancing-banana:

    Husband 5 - 10 years older.
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    Offline JezusDeKoning

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    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 12:42:38 AM »
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  • There's such a difference in maturity and life stage between an 18-22 year old and someone 5-10 years her senior that I could never recommend it. And I'm speaking as someone in that very same age group.

    18-22 year olds are not looking to settle down, anyway. It's such a transitional period of life, where most do not have permanent employment, nor a degree by which to obtain a job in a decent field. Most are still living at home, especially at 18 when people graduate high school.

    You do not have everything in check during that age group, believe me.

    If there is a perfect age to get hitched, it's probably between 25-30. One should give themselves time to establish their environment - move out, get a stable job, pay off student debt, etc. before they enter marriage.
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    Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2015, 12:52:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: JezusDeKoning
    There's such a difference in maturity and life stage between an 18-22 year old and someone 5-10 years her senior that I could never recommend it. And I'm speaking as someone in that very same age group.

    18-22 year olds are not looking to settle down, anyway. It's such a transitional period of life, where most do not have permanent employment, nor a degree by which to obtain a job in a decent field. Most are still living at home, especially at 18 when people graduate high school.

    You do not have everything in check during that age group, believe me.

    If there is a perfect age to get hitched, it's probably between 25-30. One should give themselves time to establish their environment - move out, get a stable job, pay off student debt, etc. before they enter marriage.


    Most of my traditional friend and aquaintences were married at 19-20 and most of their husbands are 7-12 years older. Ten years in age difference is actually a good age difference because a man has the maturity, stability, and foundation to provide while the younger wife has the best years of her life to bear children and is still flexible enough to change and improve.




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    Any single Catholic women between the ages 23-35?
    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 01:42:00 AM »
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    Seems to me like they are mostly taken at a young age


    Based on how much research?  How many mass centres have you travelled to?

    If you are prepared to compromise a little in the looks department, I am sure there are a bunch of moral, upright, unmarried women in Tradland.  I can immediately think of half a dozen at the two locations I go to mass.  I have travelled the world and I can't recall ever turning up at a Trad Church and wondering why it was full of young men and had a dearth of women.

    I often hear the complaint that Trad women are thin on the ground but, biologically speaking, this makes little sense to me.  Since Trads are not selectively aborting their offspring like Hindus and since there are most vocations to the priesthood than there are nuns, (I think), then there must be slightly more women than there are men.

    Now sure, not every chapel has a beauty queen who is pious and humble and near faultless in her character, but why do 95% of Trad men think they deserve that?

    Sure, it ain't easy.  It will take some effort.  It might require you to change a little and knock some of the more objectionable spots off your own character.  Certainly the western world today is not one of arranged marriages, but equally in my view there are a bunch of Trad women who want to get married but struggle to find a committed man who can hold down a decent job and provide for them.

    Any women with her head in the right place marrying at 22 is going to realise that without using contraception she is going to probably have 6-10 children over the next 20 years.  So, naturally, she is not going to marry a person who seems unlikely to be able to provide for that.

    Men who haven't found themselves or are contemplating (juggling with) a late vocation to the priesthood or find it difficult to work because their boss is a twice divorced Protestant or a gun hating liberal or a extraordinary minister of NO cookies, or who have dreams of being a "full time Catholic blogger', or who simply don't have any savings or net worth with which to offer a women like this security are being wildly optimistic to expect a woman like this to fall into their laps.

    Put yourself into the woman's shoes.  Why would she take a risk like that?

    What I have observed over the past 30 years is a sizeable number of Trad women marrying non-Catholic men with conservative morals who could provide for them and act as husbands, since they were not able to find a Traditionalist man whom they thought could do that.  In some cases the husband has converted.  In no case, I know of, has the non-Catholic husband left them.

    My advice to you would be to ask yourself why Trad women are choosing to marry non-catholic men and 20 years later are bringing their 6 children along to mass every week with or without their husband in tow, but still married.

    Clearly a non Catholic husband is not an ideal, but it is a compromise that some are willing to make.  Why?

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    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2015, 02:02:49 AM »
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  • Quote from: Mabel
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    There's such a difference in maturity and life stage between an 18-22 year old and someone 5-10 years her senior that I could never recommend it. And I'm speaking as someone in that very same age group.

    18-22 year olds are not looking to settle down, anyway. It's such a transitional period of life, where most do not have permanent employment, nor a degree by which to obtain a job in a decent field. Most are still living at home, especially at 18 when people graduate high school.

    You do not have everything in check during that age group, believe me.

    If there is a perfect age to get hitched, it's probably between 25-30. One should give themselves time to establish their environment - move out, get a stable job, pay off student debt, etc. before they enter marriage.


    Most of my traditional friend and aquaintences were married at 19-20 and most of their husbands are 7-12 years older. Ten years in age difference is actually a good age difference because a man has the maturity, stability, and foundation to provide while the younger wife has the best years of her life to bear children and is still flexible enough to change and improve.



    This is based a great deal on the local culture and the peer groups of both.  People tend to follow the norms of their peer group.

    I know an American man or 24 who married a 30 year old Eastern European woman and his mother cried and made a scene at the wedding.  I gave her a stern taking to.  They are happily married 10 years later as far as I know.

    He was pretty mature and she was 30 but slim and pretty and full of energy and did not wear the pants so it worked.  They are both Trads.

    Different cultures have different tolerances and acceptances of age gaps.  Reasons vary, but immaturity of men, inability to provide a home in their 20s and the lack of social welfare are common denominators across many cultures.

    In places with cheap housing or social housing with low rents people also tend to get married younger because housing is a significant cost.  Back in the 80s and 90s in Britain it was possible to get housed in a rather nice apartment and get your local taxes reduced to zero, welfare payments, tax credits, income support and child benefits and live reasonably well without working if you lived sensibly.  If you did some black market work on the side you could do pretty well.  Some people did this and went to college (free at that time), then by 30 they landed a professional job as the economy recovered.

    If the area who live in and have your friends, family and therefore support network has expensive housing, rents and no welfare system, then getting married young is harder.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2015, 08:10:20 AM »
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  • Good posts ggreg, but keep in mind that if two people truly have the blessings of God, lack of money and resources can be turned around for spiritual benefit. Otherwise, the way of the world will sweep them away. You start out loving the things the other has in the beginning only to wind up dwelling on what they don't have and how human they really are. Without Christian charity, they'll use each other up and toss themselves out like empty wrappers.

    In the end we are caretakers and guardians of the soul anyway, so like the Martins in France we should almost look at it like entering into a monastery of two.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2015, 09:27:22 AM »
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  • The Philippines are only just now becoming tainted by the Western contraceptive culture, so you still have time.  I'd give that country 10-15 years before the people have changed from what I currently recognize.  
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    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2015, 04:02:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Croixalist
    Good posts ggreg, but keep in mind that if two people truly have the blessings of God, lack of money and resources can be turned around for spiritual benefit. Otherwise, the way of the world will sweep them away.


    Once you can meet your basic needs I would agree with you.  You don't need tons of money.  I earn far more than I spend and that is the smart way for anyone to live because that way you are not under pressure and you can take time over life's big decisions.  You can also put money aside to help your children go to college and not start adult-life with a ton of debt.

    However, realistically, in modern society there are unavoidable costs.  Having children costs money.  Medical care or insurance costs money.  Cars, required to get to mass, cost money.  Gasoline to power them costs money.  Internet connections cost money.  Children require some level of comfort, entertainment, feeding, education.  Diapers cost money, running a household costs money.  You don't need a foreign holiday every year but if you want your children to take and interest in and be able to engage with the wider world, then a couple of overseas trips (or travelling a few states over in North America) between the ages of 5 and 18 are required to produce rounded characters.

    Now sure, you can economize, but only to a point.  Past that point you DO start missing out on opportunities, education and character forming stuff.  Stuff that differentiates you as a employment candidate from some wet-back who has just crossed the Rio Grande or hard working Romanian immigrant.

    Children have talents.  Whether that is playing chess or cross-country running or stage performance.  To practice those skills builds their characters and their confidence and practising them costs MONEY.

    I know a very poor family who have never taken their children to London.  They only live 90mins drive from some of the world's greatest museums and interesting historical sites yet the only time they've seen London is when I drove them.  They have a car, but they don't have the money or the inclination to travel there.  It's all a bit too much for the parents who live their life like they are in a cloister.

    The children are all rather withdrawn and lacking in confidence.  Bookish, so to speak.  It's difficult to not conclude that being brought up in the boonies (as much as that is possible in the UK), has shaped their personalities or more accurately FAILED to shape them.

    That does not bode well for their futures.  Who is going to offer them employment when they come across as shy and slightly weird?  And how are they going to turn that around in their own life without the upbringing?  Once you slip down a social/economic class it is difficult to climb back up.

    Unless you marry a girl from a poor background she is highly unlikely to be content to lower her sights THAT much.

    My concern is that these are the very people who in 10 years time will find that nobody wants to marry them, because they have very poor job prospects.

    My friend got married in his late 40s without a penny to his name.  He's ill, so cannot hold down a full time job.  He lives on welfare and luckily for him his wife works and does reasonably well with her own cleaning business.  But they have one child and live in a small apartment.

    Being realistic about it, Traditionalist Catholics either have to accept children as God sends them or they have to abstain from sex (which in most circuмstances I would think was a undesirable option which would lead to a bunch of problems), since most normal red-blooded people want to have sex on a reasonably regular basis.

    The goal therefore should be to get a job and provide an income that two adults and half a dozen children can live on and pursue some character building pastimes and leisure activities outside of simply saying the Rosary and eating their pottage.

    Finally, ask yourself what threads dominate this and other forums.  Is Tradland full of wealthy middle class young Trads earning six figure salaries and wondering whether to buy a 5 Series BMW or an E-Class Merc?  Not in my experience.  Are Traditionalists divorcing because our fathers are spending 80 hours per week starting dot.com companies or globetrotting around the world as senior executives?  I think not.

    Or - are the threads on this and other forums COMMONLY about young men who find it difficult to find and hold down a decent paying job, or are threatened by Mexican immigrants, complaining about the price of food or debts or think they Joos are to blame for their failure to find anyone to marry by the time they are 30 ?

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    « Reply #13 on: January 06, 2015, 05:46:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    The Philippines are only just now becoming tainted by the Western contraceptive culture, so you still have time.  I'd give that country 10-15 years before the people have changed from what I currently recognize.  


    How much time have you spent in Manila ?

    I was there 20, 11 and 4 years ago and there appeared to be a huge problems which got worse with time.  Albeit not western problems.  Asians are good at covering up and saving face too.  They don't admit the full extent of the problems or their depravity.

    In the sticks I am sure it is different, but generally speaking a country's culture follows that of the large cities.

    There are a lot of trannies there compared to the UK, for example.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2015, 06:42:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: Croixalist
    Age gaps matter less the older you get but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say a 5-7 year gap is ok in your thirties, a 7-10 year gap is alright in your forties, and if you're still looking in your 50s, good on you if you can get a good woman in her late 30s! I wouldn't dip into the late 20s age range unless you're still in your thirties.


    Uh, why not ?  A man in his forties who can marry a woman in her twenties counts as more successful in my book than if he settled with a woman already in her thirties.  My reasoning is very simple : Biology.  A woman in her twenties has more childbearing years and is likely to be prettier.  All things being equal, as far as marriage pairing goes, she is superior than a woman who has less childbearing years ahead of her and whose looks have somewhat faded.  I don't think there's anything controversial in this.

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    However, it's very rare for women to hold out that long and even rarer for them to cross over from the Novus Ordo, which directly caters to them. The good news is, by the time someone that rare comes down the pike, it should hit you like an anvil!


    Or one could just try to find a woman who is still young.  My wife is my same age, but I would never tell any of my unmarried friends that once they reach forty they are somehow socially obligated to marry a woman whose first pregnancy would be significantly more likely to carry risks than a woman who is younger.  Fertility begins to decline after twenty-six slightly, starts declining steeply at thirty, and basically falls off the drop off into the deep water at thirty-five.  If such a friend were an appealing match to a younger woman and had one as an option, I think he should be encouraged to get the best he can.  "Stand in place; win or die."

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    Then there's the issue of how to raise kids traditionally in this day and age, so I hope you have a plan and the wherewithal to follow it through.


    Being more established would certainly help.  A man at thirty would match well with a woman in her early twenties.  All things being equal, the age differential makes it so that she gets security and cultivation while he gets children and youth from her.  It's a win-win.