Also, nαzιs are a bad thing
So, because a certain ideology named X is a bad thing you call other people not belonging to that ideology X-ies? That's insincere.
No it's not insincere. Especially when the people so described ARE acting like Fascists as in the case described above.
There's a rule of thumb for the Germans and partly for others, too: The leftist and Jєωιѕн mob call virtually any of their opponents "nαzι" and "Fascist" here.
So what. The National Socialists weren't only enemies of the Jєωs, you know. They were also implacable enemies of the Catholic Church. That's something you seem bent on ignoring in your attempt to schmear kreuz.net. Maybe you're a fαℓѕє fℓαg operation?
In most of the cases these opponents are not fascists however, let alone national socialists.
In all of the cases I've seen discussed in NS-Germany by kreuz.net, the moniker is deserved.
I hate Fascism because I'm Catholic. It's that simple and when I see the tactics and behaviors employed by National SOCIALISTS, I think it's important to call attention to that fact, and the fact that this ideology will, whatever concessions they offer in the meantime, attempt to destroy the Church and Her patrimony.
This is called a "Totschlagvokabel", i.e. character assassination. It's easy to use and you don't need any argument.
Are you defending these "nαzι anti-fas" and what they're doing or what? Not aware of where it's unacceptable to describe someone engaging in Fascistic behavior as a Fascist.
It usually works because most Germans and others have successfully been brain-washed in order to believe in the "h0Ɩ0cαųst" lie. See Bishop Williamson's good unmasking of it.
A point which, if one were to regularly read kreuz.net as I do, would be lost to you or those who don't read kreuz.net, because kreuz.net frequently points out this phenomenon and describes it impeccably.
If a thinking German sees somebody in the German-speaking zone who's using the character assassination words "nαzι" or "Fascist", you can bet the latter one is an idiot or worse.
You're begging the question. A thinking German? I don't mean to be glib, but what's that supposed to mean? Sounds like humbug. Most "thinking" Germans believe the h0Ɩ0h0αx. In any event, kreuz.net is not only Europe's most popular Catholic site, it's Europe's most popular RELIGION site. I don't think it got that way by being idiotic.
Today's Federal Republic of Germany's cancelor Merkel and "Team Merkel" member Krah were shaped in the GDR, so it's no surprise Krah and his mentor Fr Pfluger call Bishop Williamson a "nαzι", too.
Kreuz has always been sympathetic to Bishop Williamson, actually, and attacks the media for its nαzι-delusion.
You're talking about the Kreuznet guys who protect the archenemy of Bishop Williamson named Max Krah and his backers, and who successfully prevent the publishing of the Krah-Gate by deleting any link to it, because the Krah-Gate exposes a complot against Bishop Williamson inside the SSPX.
No, I'm talking about the articles which appear in the publication describing Bishop Williamson as a hero and attacking the German thought police who use the h0Ɩ0h0αx [another word used by kreuz.net] to show how this is used to attack the Church and make its prelates timid.
These Kreuznet guys are just allegedly sympathetic to Bishop Williamson. In reality they often sum up his Eleison Comments with their own words in a misleading way, when the Bishop's official German version is no longer than Kreuznet's "special summarise" ! Of course they also never link to Bishop Williamson's original Eleison Comments website, so that the readers can't see the manipulation.
Most German Catholic readers of kreuz.net are able to read Bishop Williamson's words in English or in German.
But just for fun. Why don't you show where kreuz.net has been really misleading.
Also they exaggerate so much with their seemingly praise for the Bishop that in the end they ridicule him. By calling the good Bishop a "martyr-bishop" for example. Now this is an unacceptable misuse of the word!
How is that a misuse of the word?
Another trademark of Kreuznet.
P.S. Of course the good Bishop Williamson suffers a lot, and I'm sure he would die for the Faith, i.e. become a martyr in the end if necessary. But thank God he's still living, and may our Lord bless him with many years to live! Anyway, he's not a martyr.
Bishop Williamson is a hero. I love him as much as you apparently do.
The Kreuznet guys don't mind this misuse of words because they don't care exact definitions, as long as it's sensational and attracting the mob.
Is the term "martyr-bishop" apt or not? You seem to think that it is and then you proceed to attack kreuz.net for describing him that way as if they are really trying to make him look ridiculous.
That's why many traditional catholics see Kreuznet as a pseudo-catholic "Bild-Zeitung", with the "Bild-Zeitung" (literally "picture magazine") being the most dumb and mendacious newspaper in the entire German-speaki-ng zone. Run by Zionists of course.
A lot of traditional Catholics comment on kreuz.net, so I don't know that you're talking about.
I've yet to meet a good traditional priest who would share your excitement about Kreuznet. Those I know can't stand Kreuznet because of their anti-christian means. Do you know one?
No, actually, I don't. Kruez.net is too polemical for most of them. Father Gero Weisshaput, for example, was complaining about them despite the fact that they've written articles in praise of him. For his part, he's cited them and given a monitem that "you have to hold your nose sometimes at kreuz.net". Whatever. I'm
almost sure that you wouldn't consider him a "good" priest.
However we catholics love truth and justice, and so we don't use popular but wrong names to defame opponents.
It makes sense to portray people as they are in an effective way so that people get the message. It's called rhetoric.
In case of the "nαzι" and "Fascist" verbal-club it's just the rhetoric of the extremists.
I don't know one single decent German who would use the "nαzι" or "Fascist" verbal-club against his opponents.
That's probably because they're stunned into submission by the menace of the h0Ɩ0h0αx and its shame peddlers.
The term Fascist comes from Musolini and is a meaningful description which can be, in the parlance of some, a means of short circuiting discussion,
The short circuit is only in the heads of the extremists calling their opponents "nαzι" all day, like Kreuznet does.
but why not call a Fascist a Fascist?
But hardly anybody does it! Who really applies the true meaning of: Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.
Who calls Montsanto etc, or the "bailouts" i.e. nationalisation of countless private banks fascist or communist? Kreuznet doesn't. They concentrate on such "big guns" like the left schoolteacher Berger whom they line up with national socialists.
I don't think economics is as important as theology or orthopraxis. It's a religion magazine with no discernible sympathy to any particular economic system, except subsidiarity.
You do realize that National Socialism is an evil thing, yeah?
There's no catholic socialism. But this fact doesn't entitle you or the Austrian Kreuznet extremists to defame opponents as national socialists who are not.
Why can't you answer a simple question?
By your "logic" you can call opponents "child molesters" because child molesting is a very evil thing?
No, I call child molesters, pederasts or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs.
You obviously have no idea how microscopically small the number of national socialists is in the German-speaking zone, do you?
If I stop counting lamb's quarter and dandy lions as weeds, I suppose I could say that my garden is relatively weed-freed.
You shouldn't believe the lies of the Jєωιѕн owned German mass-media which blows up these numbers.
Begging the question again? You're assuming two false things, one: that kreuznet's characterization of nαzι behavior on the part of the government and individuals in germany are untrue or inapt, and two, that kreuz.net is informed by "Jєωιѕн liars". That's simply libelous.
Anybody here who's not a Jєω or pro-Jєωιѕн leftist is called a "nαzι",
Actually, kreuz.net is called nαzι. So what?
in particular we traditional catholics. And Kreuznet is "fighting" against that by calling them "nαzιs"? How dumb or how false-flag.
I think it's important to remember that the nαzιs were also Socialists and that their system was anti-Catholic. Is that so hard for you to admit?
So, the Germans didn't create an alliance with Business and the State?
Indeed Hitler didn't create a merger of state and corporate power. For a short time he intended to but then saw it didn't work. So he let the business run rather privately within certain frames like in every country. And it worked well, economically speaking.
Hitler's state was actually more liberal than the USA, Federal Republic of Germany, etc is today.
The pseudo-Christians behind kreuz.net who intensively protect Krah and his Jєωιѕн backers name any of their opponents "nαzι", exactly like the Jєω's mass-media do. They're no different in their means.
You don't have any idea what the spiritual condition of the editors of kreuz.net is.
It's in a very bad condition. To see this you just have to read Kreuznet for a some years and work for them or talk with people who worked for them until the former noticed they got abused and their work got manipulated.
sour grapes
I just refuted your whole point.
I must have missed that. Could you repeat your refutation?
National Socialist tactics are in use by these antifas. It's by no means unapropos to describe them thus.
[the guys behind kreuz.net] frequently attack the soft delusional thinking behind the people who see nαzιs behind everything, often pointing out that it is they who are the nαzιs.
You're actually saying that according to Kreuznet those who see "nαzιs" behind everything are the "nαzιs", and this is why the Kreuznet guys often call their opponents "nαzιs"...
You're like those people who attack the messenger when it comes to uncovering Marxist infiltration in the Catholic Church. But Communism is dead, they say. Yeah sure. National Socialism isn't dead either.
That's a pretty dumb attitude, don't you think? According to that "logic" Kreuznet must be "nαzιs" too because they call so many of their opponents "nαzιs". Very strange.
No, it makes sense to demonstrate the absurdity of a term like racist by accusing someone else of the same thing.
As you note, anyone can be called a nαzι or a Fascist, except in this case, these people are acting like nαzιs.
Meanwhile, a post which is supposed to be about how these Antifa-nαzιs
There you go again.
So those pro abortion criminals are "nαzιs", because they are pro abortion?
No, but because -- let's repeat your words: "You do realize that National Socialism is an evil thing, yeah?"
No, they're nαzιs because they're acting like brownshirts in their antagonism to the Catholic Church and their promotion of agendas which would have been supported by the nαzιs. It's also fun to hang them by their own petards. Obviously, their accusations of Traditional Catholics being nαzιs are absurd. After all, Archbishop Lefebvre's father fought them and died in a KZ.
You're lost in shortcuts. Expand them: "... how these anti-fascist National-Socialists..."
with your, frankly, mendacious accusations.
You didn't prove a single of my rejections of the Kreuznet extremists' rhetoric to be untrue, so don't call me mendacious.
You've done nothing but base your attacks on ethereal points.
You maintain that "nαzι" as a term is off limits because the National Socialist Party hasn't been in existence since the end of the War or that you insist that National Socialists are rare.
You don't suppose that the methods and tactics of the National Socialists aren't employed by the Church's enemies in the continuation of the Kulturkampf, do you?
Calling opponents "nαzιs" who are not national socialists is mendacious.
Not if they act like nαzιs.
[Berger] may be insignificant, but the problem of clerical ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs isn't.
But Kreuznet massively downplayed the exposure (by the mass media) of many ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and child abusing clerics who have worked in the Church unobjected when bishops and cardinals like Ratzinger where their diocesan superiors!
At least, you show your true colors.
You've either bought into the media lie of the abuse-hoax, or you're a perpetrator of that hoax and the "moral hysteria" behind it.
Also Kreuznet protected the conservative but anti-traditional Austrian Bishop Krenn when the media came at him because he protected ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ seminary deans in his diocese (I think he just didn't see trough them, but still he protected them).
I noticed that and how is that different from the way in which kreuz.net is portraying the situation?
Of course the mass media used these things to attack the church, but why on earth did Kreuznet negate the fact of actual massive ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and child abusing practice in the German Newchurch dioceses, when you simple could not deny it and even many conservative catholics were ashamed?
Probably because the cases in which German priests actually abuse children are rare and that the issue is being used to manipulate people's feelings against the Church despite the fact that there's a
massive campaign on hand to normalize sɛҳuąƖ interactions with minors on the part of the SPD and the Greens.
Guess how Kreuznet called the exposing mass medias? "nαzιs" of course. Because it's the verbal-club of the idiots with no arguments.
perhaps because the German media was created by and run by former nαzιs in the post-war period, like Spiegel for example, which was founded by a nαzι propagandist.
In fact, kreuz.net is the only group that sees the abuse crisis in its proper light as an ideological campaign conceived to manipulate public opinion and attack the Church.
... by denying the massive child abuse and other crimes perpetrated by parts of the rotten Newchurch clergy which was covert by then bishops and cardinals like Ratzinger. Weird again.
Actually, kreuz.net consistently portrays the abuses for what they are: "rare occurences perpetrated by ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖly disturbed individuals".
Kreuznet and unfortunately you too try to cast out devils by Beelzebub.
This is impossible however.
No, not really. Your cases are all pretty weak so far, with the possible exception of the poor moderation, but even that can be justified to some extent by the sheer volume of the comments which dwarfs any Traditional Catholic site I've ever seen with the possible exception of AQ back before its moderator decided to attack Father Malachi Martin.
(In this context: devils = anti-christian mass media, and Beelzebub = denial of the child abusing.)
That's another libel.
Like you complaining about people describing things as evil which are evil.
Well, you distort again. I didn't complain about them because they described whatever. I complain about their non-christian means.
You haven't demonstrated that they are using non-Christian means.
Kreuznet and you are saying: The end justifies the means.
This is impossible however.
No, I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with calling X, X.
They portray Islamic society as morally superior to unterhosen-kultur NS-Deutschland, which it is.
So you also don't know Islam. The Islam is as amorally and as dangerous for eternal life as the western democrazies. See North Africa veteran Archbishop Lefebvre's excellent words about the Islam, their polygamy, etc.
of course Islam is dangerous. Kreuz.net frequently pens articles which attack Islamism and Multiculturalism. That's why I love this page.
You use presence form. Where's this "NS-Deutschland" you and the Kreuznet extremists talk about all day? Because it means "National Socialist Deutschland". I've been under the impression it ceased to exist in 1945. Did I miss its revival? When did that happen?
Considering the tactics of the German Government the SDP and the Greens, I'd suggest to you that this is very much an apt description and that you are being morbidly literalistic. The German government's approach to the Catholic Church, pro-life issues, and the tactics it employs do indeed resemble those used by National Socialists. Not to mention their outlook on sɛҳuąƖ morality.
Also, some of the photos which appear on the site ARE unfortunate, and some of the language in some of the articles is unfortunate, but I can't translate everything, nor would I want to necessarily follow a post which is difficult to understand or doesn't make a strong enough point.
Their photos of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are invariably bizarre and disgusting, but I think it captures the essence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs' madness and viciousness.
You say to warn about pornographic means you've to show pornographic. Because Kreuznet also publishes pornographic pictures.
Of course, but they're mostly disgusting photos of elderly sodomites walking in public without any clothes where children are.
Kreuz.net shows the true face of the Gommorist. Is that what you object to? The fact that they're exposing the evils of Sodom?
Speaking of which, Cardinal Schoenborn and the rest of the Old Liberal Bishops in Germany have something in common with you
Yes, they speak the German language (like I do) and like the "leading National-Socialists did", in order to quote the Kreuznet extremists.
No, you detest kreuz.net for no good reason.
I'm inclined to believe that it's because you object to kreuz.net's hard-hitting stance on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity or how they've correctly portrayed how the German Church is basically at the beck and call of the German government because of the Church-tax, or how this official Church structure is run by Old Liberals who often use their official status to persecute real Catholics like Father Gero Weisshaupt or Msgr Werner.
Actually, kreuz.net is one of the most accurate blogs out there.
It's a pseudo-christian website which use evil means to attack alleged opponents.
The guys behind it damage traditional Catholicism immensely. And they prevent the Krah-Gate from being exposed in German-speaking Internet with all means.
They're skillfully running a fαℓѕє fℓαg operation.
You have yet to demonstrate that they are doing that. You seem more concerned about appearances than anything else.
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