he also reiterated that it was sinful forChristians (https://www.haaretz.com/misc/tags/TAG-christianity-1.5599246) to hold anti-Semitic sentiments because they shared a heritage with Jєωs.Actually, the glorious pope of Rome is late to the dance. Bp. Fellay was declaring essentially the same thing in 2009. +Fellay and Francis are now on the same page.
Actually, the glorious pope of Rome is late to the dance. Bp. Fellay was declaring essentially the same thing in 2009. +Fellay and Francis are now on the same page.In essence the commies, Jєωs and queers infiltrated infiltrated the seminiaries decades ago. So while the DOJ are investigating the dioceses nationwide for sodomy, child-rape and pedophilia, at the same time the hiearchy is telling us not to say or feel anything about a group which is covert and overtly hostile to the Church and anyone else who they feel is a threat to their group in general. But we also can't "judge" kiddie diddlers and fecophiles who roam the aisles, altars and vestibules of their churches and seminiaries as well. Essentially the same worldview that the secular authorities have taken as well.
*fecophiles*Fecophiles... I'm going to use that. I'll attribute as necessary...
Tell me, is there any real difference between the Church and judaized state today?
Well actually yes, the state does try and separate and lock up child-rapists, not hide their deviant acts and hide them in another part of the country where they can conduct their exploits all over again.
This gratuitous hatred of the Jєωs goes against the spirit of Pope St Pius X. For example he said, "Yes, from my Mantua days. Jєωs live there. And I have always been on good terms with Jєωs. Only the other evening two Jєωs were here to see me."
https://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904
These words were spoken to Theodor Herzl who sought Pope Pius X's support for the establishment of a Jєωιѕн state in Palestine. Pope Pius X, adamantly refused to support this. "... to support the Jєωs in the acquisition of the Holy Places, that we cannot do."Poche. what on earth has this got to do with your "gratuitous hatred"? I cannot see the connection.
This gratuitous hatred of the Jєωs goes against the spirit of Pope St Pius X. For example he said, "Yes, from my Mantua days. Jєωs live there. And I have always been on good terms with Jєωs. Only the other evening two Jєωs were here to see me."The Church does not hate the Jєωs. They were the first people to reject Our Lord, and the Church wants their conversion. Remember the Catholic Good Friday prayers for the Jєωs on Good Friday.
https://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904
"Jєωs have not recognized Our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jєωιѕн people." ~ Pope St. Pius XNot recognizing the Jєωιѕн religion is not the same as being gratuitously hatefuk.
Not recognizing the Jєωιѕн religion is not the same as being gratuitously hatefuk.The Church does not, nor has not ever hated the Jєωs.
This gratuitous hatred of the Jєωs goes against the spirit of Pope St Pius X. For example he said, "Yes, from my Mantua days. Jєωs live there. And I have always been on good terms with Jєωs. Only the other evening two Jєωs were here to see me."Tell me poche, what does antisemitism have anything to do with "gratuitous hatred of the Jєωs "?
https://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/herzl1904
Jєωs are cursed and covered with malediction as by a cloak. The curse has penetrated them like water in their bowels and oil in their bones. They are cursed in the city and cursed in the country, cursed in their coming in and cursed in their going out. Cursed are the fruits of their loins, of their lands, of their flocks; cursed are their cellars, their granaries, their shops, their food, the very crumbs off their tables!
~ St. Agobard
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53465078_122104062261723_6105341829975113728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_eui2=AeHGhG3gA6HGJ5COjLCfTup8CN-ohezldHbt53uDUGmYpwTnxxnk_5B4tVDYnZjjo7bOyzt3kleVZLuGGq_sgXu2EpmE7Co_Cq5ae80UtSkKYg&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=9fc848d29b3aa2f2b5a82d46f70775f2&oe=5D1815DC)You realize that you are talking about Pope St Pius X.
Tell me poche, what does antisemitism have anything to do with "gratuitous hatred of the Jєωs "?In the common usage 'anti-semitic' is a synonym for gratuitous hatred of Jєωs.
Why you're at it, please post us a link of one example of a pope who has called out the Jєωs anti-goyism.
What is the genesis for this claim that Catholics, or any gentiles, shouldn't hate those who publically and/or privately identify as Jєωs?Because sins against charity are just that, They are an offense against God. You can go to Hell for that.
It would seem that this hatred, which does exist towards Jєωs, would be covered under righteous hatred.
Jєωs who are in the process of undergoing sincere conversions would be the exception.
poche says
You realize that you are talking about Pope St Pius X.
If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead? And such are the prayers of the Jєωs, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God-the-Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching-forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ. For they who persevere in their blindness inherit the blood-guilt of their fathers; for they cried out: "His blood be upon us, and upon our children" (Matthew xxvii.25). ~ St. Basil the Great
In the common usage 'anti-semitic' is a synonym for gratuitous hatred of Jєωs.
You realize that you are talking about Pope St Pius X.
Because sins against charity are just that, They are an offense against God. You can go to Hell for that.
Matthew -In a shocking twist of events, Poche finds someone who is not part of the "faithful departed." Apparently, it's Catholics who believe the truth about the Jєωs.
Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jєωs with threats of Hellfire.
You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.
Thank you.
Matthew -Matthew's been asked this before and I've never seen him respond to the question, not that he hasn't addressed it. He undoubtedly knows that poche is a fraud, but I suspect the two reasons he allows him to stay are because poche unwittingly gives trad Caths an opportunity to sharpen their teeth against typical modernist errors and because poche's behavior generates activity.
Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jєωs with threats of Hellfire.
You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.
Thank you.
Matthew's been asked this before and I've never seen him respond to the question, not that he hasn't addressed it. He undoubtedly knows that poche is a fraud, but I suspect the two reasons he allows him to stay are because poche unwittingly gives trad Caths an opportunity to sharpen their teeth against typical modernist errors and because poche's behavior generates activity.
BTW BTNYC, could you take a stab at my question, about hatred of Jєωs possibly not being a sin but covered under righteous hatred?
The "Jєωs" of today are not semitic, therefore one cannot be anti-semitic against them.
The "Poche is a challenge to us" theory is one I've never bought. The other proselytizing heretics I mentioned fit that bill infinitely better: Icterus because he was actually intelligent and more or less intellectually honest when engaged in debate, and Trickster Bruce because he at least gave lip service to the notion that he was willing to learn about Catholic Tradition. Poche, on the other hand, has never shown that willingness, and, worse, refuses to answer directly or clearly when faced with a question that endangers the narratives he propagates (case in point, despite his regular spanning of the forum with the "whoever exalts race" passage from Mit Brennender Sorge, he refuses to ever respond directly and honestly when someone asks if he agrees with the encyclical's acknowledgment that race is a "fundamental value of the human community" with a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things," or if he recognizes that the Jєωs are especially guilty of "exalting race above its standard value").
Icterus and Trickster, furthermore, didn't artificially hike up their post counts with copy-paste human interest fluff from Yahoo News or interminable updates on whatever "butter and cheese-soaked" atrocity they'd been subjecting their colons to. In that alone, they demonstrated more good will on this forum than Poche ever has. They too "generated activity" and yet, they were banned within a month. And Poche? Well, this gives one a sense of how long he's been a problem around here: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/ban-poche/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/ban-poche/)
Poche suddenly appeared on Cathinfo (and Fisheaters, CAF, etc.) in the summer of 2012 and has been shilling on behalf of modernism unabated ever since (though FE, to their credit, eventually banned him). He has racked up a post count on the various forums that numbers into the tens of thousands.
For the record, I am 100% convinced he's a Novus Ordo "priest" or "deacon" whose "vocation" is conversion of us wayward Trads to the waiting arms of the Church of the New Springtime. His very moniker "poche" - an architectural term that refers to the black spaces in a building plan that denote solid areas of the structure which are concealed behind walls - implies hiddenness and subterfuge (though its allusion to Poche's thickheadedness is particularly apt).
Anyway, it looks like he's here to stay, so break out your guitars and tambourines:
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53545853_122568182215311_2240107362222342144_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=01f21f8f19f08f005beaca36019e4eea&oe=5D1B4899)One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.
Matthew -While I would love nothing more than to see that there should be no need for there to be a resistance to a reconciliation between the SSPX and the Holy See, I want no one to agree to, or sign anything that would go against their conscience.
Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jєωs with threats of Hellfire.
You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.
Thank you.
St John Chrysostom died in exile after a long forced march. One wonders how much of this earthly Purgatory he could have avoided if he had been a bit milder.Milder? By your standards, yes. Today's "modern standards" where people are getting fired from their jobs because some pink-haired Berkeley communist shylock who "identifies" as an Apache helicopter heard the word "fαɢɢօt", or "white" from three states away and screamed about it on Twitter.
One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.
I think that the followers of Pope St Pius X should follow in his spirit in relation to other people. Hold firm to the Catholic Faith, and with charity for everyone.
St John Chrysostom died in exile after a long forced march. One wonders how much of this earthly Purgatory he could have avoided if he had been a bit milder.
Since this wicked generation did not know that it should repent, but daily became more wicked, its last state was worse than its first ... The evil and adulterous generation of the Jєωs were to be condemned because of their hard and unrepentant hearts. ~ St. Bruno
In the end, as St. Bernard and other Fathers and Doctors say, they will be converted to Christ. That probably coincides with the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the conversion of many nations to the Church.We are to pray earnestly for many more Jєωs to convert but St Paul tells us in Romans 9: [27] (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=52&ch=9&l=27-#x) And Isaias crieth out concerning Israel: If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved. (http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=52&ch=9&l=27-27&q=1#x)
The Jєωs knew that Christ was the son of David. And even now they hope for His Coming. It is hidden from them that He has come, but it is hidden because they willed it so. For, not acknowledging Him on the cross, the knowledge of Him reigning in glory should not be theirs ... Why are the Jєωs hoping for what has already come, and not fearful for what is to come? For Our Lord Jesus Christ ... referred Himself as "the Stone" (Matthew xxi.44), that whoever stumbles upon it shall be bruised; but upon whom it shall fall, it will grind to powder ... Lying on the ground, it shakes whoever falls over it; coming from on high, it crushes the proud. The Jєωs have already been shaken by their previous stumble. What awaits them is to be crushed by His Coming. ~ St. Augustine