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Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2019, 06:18:19 PM »
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  • The "Jews" of today are not semitic, therefore one cannot be anti-semitic against them. 
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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #16 on: March 14, 2019, 12:56:10 AM »
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  • What is the genesis for this claim that Catholics, or any gentiles, shouldn't hate those who publically and/or privately identify as Jews?

    It would seem that this hatred, which does exist towards Jews, would be covered under righteous hatred.

    Jews who are in the process of undergoing sincere conversions would be the exception.


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #17 on: March 14, 2019, 01:02:17 AM »
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  • I don't know if Jews are a genetic group or not. There's dispute about this. They're garbage whether they are or not.

    Former popes who said that Catholics can't be anti-semitic because Jesus was a semite ... well this could be interpreted as Catholics being the true spiritual successors of the Old Testament Jews, and modern-day Jews having none of that spirit, but being enemies of that spirit. To be anti-Jewish does not qualify as immoral.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #18 on: March 14, 2019, 01:22:03 AM »
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    Jews are cursed and covered with malediction as by a cloak. The curse has penetrated them like water in their bowels and oil in their bones. They are cursed in the city and cursed in the country, cursed in their coming in and cursed in their going out. Cursed are the fruits of their loins, of their lands, of their flocks; cursed are their cellars, their granaries, their shops, their food, the very crumbs off their tables!
     ~ St. Agobard

    the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and have persecuted us, and please not God, and are adversaries to all men.
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    I knew in my faith that the Jews were accursed and condemned without end, except those who were converted. ~ Bl. Juliana of Norwich

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #19 on: March 15, 2019, 11:34:24 PM »
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  • You realize that you are talking about Pope St Pius X.


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #20 on: March 15, 2019, 11:55:01 PM »
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  • Tell me poche, what does antisemitism have anything to do with "gratuitous hatred of the Jews "?

    Why you're at it, please post us a link of one example of a pope who has called out the jews anti-goyism.
    In the common usage 'anti-semitic' is a synonym for gratuitous hatred of Jews.  

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #21 on: March 15, 2019, 11:56:38 PM »
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  • What is the genesis for this claim that Catholics, or any gentiles, shouldn't hate those who publically and/or privately identify as Jews?

    It would seem that this hatred, which does exist towards Jews, would be covered under righteous hatred.

    Jews who are in the process of undergoing sincere conversions would be the exception.
    Because sins against charity are just that, They are an offense against God. You can go to Hell for that.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #22 on: March 16, 2019, 04:56:45 AM »
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    poche says
    You realize that you are talking about Pope St Pius X.

    Pope St. Pius X never stood with Jews. In fact, he never recognized them as a people.  

    "Jews have not recognized Our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people." ~ Pope St. Pius X


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #23 on: March 16, 2019, 05:07:40 AM »
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    If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead? And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God-the-Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching-forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ. For they who persevere in their blindness inherit the blood-guilt of their fathers; for they cried out: "His blood be upon us, and upon our children" (Matthew xxvii.25). ~ St. Basil the Great

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #24 on: March 16, 2019, 08:24:00 AM »
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  • In the common usage 'anti-semitic' is a synonym for gratuitous hatred of Jews.  

    What's the "common usage" term for "gratuitous hatred" of gentiles, Poche?

    Oh, there isn't one? Does that strike you as the least bit significant?

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #25 on: March 16, 2019, 08:26:43 AM »
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  • You realize that you are talking about Pope St Pius X.

    You're responding to a direct quotation of St. John Chrysostom, you fork-tongued hypocrite.

    Was the golden-mouthed doctor an "anti-Semite?" Answer yes or no, and don't evade.


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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #26 on: March 16, 2019, 08:32:09 AM »
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  • Because sins against charity are just that, They are an offense against God. You can go to Hell for that.

    Matthew -
    Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jews with threats of Hellfire.

    You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #27 on: March 16, 2019, 11:36:47 AM »
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  • Matthew -
    Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jews with threats of Hellfire.

    You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.

    Thank you.
    In a shocking twist of events, Poche finds someone who is not part of the "faithful departed." Apparently, it's Catholics who believe the truth about the Jews.
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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #28 on: March 16, 2019, 12:31:44 PM »
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  • Matthew -
    Poche, for the umpteenth time in his many years here, is trying to subvert Traditional Catholics on a Traditional Catholic forum. Once again, under the cover of "charity," he is attempting to undermine the Traditional Catholic position on the Jews with threats of Hellfire.

    You banned others - Icterus and Trickster spring to mind - for less egregious attempts at "converting" us. Please ban the proselytizing Modernist heretic Poche, or at least explain why he will not be banned.

    Thank you.
    Matthew's been asked this before and I've never seen him respond to the question, not that he hasn't addressed it. He undoubtedly knows that poche is a fraud, but I suspect the two reasons he allows him to stay are because poche unwittingly gives trad Caths an opportunity to sharpen their teeth against typical modernist errors and because poche's behavior generates activity.

    BTW BTNYC, could you take a stab at my question, about hatred of Jews possibly not being a sin but covered under righteous hatred?

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    Re: Anti-Semitism Part of Wave of 'Depraved Hatred,' Pope Says.....
    « Reply #29 on: March 16, 2019, 05:05:42 PM »
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  • Matthew's been asked this before and I've never seen him respond to the question, not that he hasn't addressed it. He undoubtedly knows that poche is a fraud, but I suspect the two reasons he allows him to stay are because poche unwittingly gives trad Caths an opportunity to sharpen their teeth against typical modernist errors and because poche's behavior generates activity.


    The "Poche is a challenge to us" theory is one I've never bought. The other proselytizing heretics I mentioned fit that bill infinitely better: Icterus because he was actually intelligent and more or less intellectually honest when engaged in debate, and Trickster Bruce because he at least gave lip service to the notion that he was willing to learn about Catholic Tradition. Poche, on the other hand, has never shown that willingness, and, worse, refuses to answer directly or clearly when faced with a question that endangers the narratives he propagates (case in point, despite his regular spanning of the forum with the "whoever exalts race" passage from Mit Brennender Sorge, he refuses to ever respond directly and honestly when someone asks if he agrees with the encyclical's acknowledgment that race is a "fundamental value of the human community" with a "necessary and honorable... function in worldly things," or if he recognizes that the Jews are especially guilty of "exalting race above its standard value").

    Icterus and Trickster, furthermore, didn't artificially hike up their post counts with copy-paste human interest fluff from Yahoo News or interminable updates on whatever "butter and cheese-soaked" atrocity they'd been subjecting their colons to. In that alone, they demonstrated more good will on this forum than Poche ever has. They too "generated activity" and yet, they were banned within a month. And Poche? Well, this gives one a sense of how long he's been a problem around here: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/ban-poche/

    Poche suddenly appeared on Cathinfo (and Fisheaters, CAF, etc.) in the summer of 2012 and has been shilling on behalf of modernism unabated ever since (though FE, to their credit, eventually banned him). He has racked up a post count on the various forums that numbers into the tens of thousands.

    For the record, I am 100% convinced he's a Novus Ordo "priest" or "deacon" whose "vocation" is conversion of us wayward Trads to the waiting arms of the Church of the New Springtime. His very moniker "poche" - an architectural term that refers to the black spaces in a building plan that denote solid areas of the structure which are concealed behind walls - implies hiddenness and subterfuge (though its allusion to Poche's thickheadedness is particularly apt).

    Anyway, it looks like he's here to stay, so break out your guitars and tambourines:



     

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