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anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
« on: January 29, 2018, 01:08:34 PM »
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    • If you hate Judaism you might as well say you reject Catholicism which stems from the Jєωιѕн religion and is a fulfilment thereof

    as one convert from Judaism (by way of Protestantism, then to Catholicism) once said at her first Mass

    "It's like a ѕуηαgσgυє, but with Christ"

      
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 01:28:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on January 29, 2018, 01:08:34 PM
    If you hate Judaism you might as well say you reject Catholicism which stems from the Jєωιѕн religion and is a fulfilment thereof

    as one convert from Judaism (by way of Protestantism, then to Catholicism) once said at her first Mass

    "It's like a ѕуηαgσgυє, but with Christ"

      
    She was wrong, which is not surprising for a brand new Catholic.  And if she was at a Novus Ordo Mass it would have been especially easy for her to be confused.

    The Judaism of the Old Testament came to be centered on the Temple.  This was destroyed in 70 A.D.  Without the Temple,  Judaism changed drastically.  A major emphasis became the rejection of Christ and His followers.  Catholicism descended from and is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism.  Modern Judaism is a false and anti-Christian religion that we ought to reject.  It has little in common with Catholicism.
      
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 01:32:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on January 29, 2018, 01:28:54 PM
    She was wrong, which is not surprising for a brand new Catholic.  And if she was at a Novus Ordo Mass it would have been especially easy for her to be confused.

    The Judaism of the Old Testament came to be centered on the Temple.  This was destroyed in 70 A.D.  Without the Temple,  Judaism changed drastically.  A major emphasis became the rejection of Christ and His followers.  Catholicism descended from and is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism.  Modern Judaism is a false and anti-Christian religion that we ought to reject.  It has little in common with Catholicism.
      
    I agree but I also stand by what I said
    the catholic church is what "continued Judaism" long ago (b4 temple was destroyed..)
    and yet, of course, ... well, Catholicism is the absolute and ultimate fulfillment of Judaism. The Jєωιѕн prophets foretold of Jesus coming, even Moses did. Catholics believe Jesus is the Messiah (no, we KNOW He is) and the Jєωs are still waiting for the Savior.
    Yes, that is insane. What more could they ask for than someone who raised people from the dead and did other amazing miracles... exorcised people, etc... What more could they possibly want in a savior?
    someone who was not a victim dying on a cross?
    I guess that doesn't appeal to them?
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 01:50:30 AM »
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    • January 1 is traditionally the feast of the Circuмcision of Jesus.
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #4 on: January 30, 2018, 04:29:56 AM »
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    • The term "ʝʊdɛօ Christian" is a modern Jєωιѕн concoction, meant to co-opt our historically Puritan nation of anti-Catholic rebels.  
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #5 on: January 30, 2018, 11:22:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on January 30, 2018, 04:29:56 AM
    The term "ʝʊdɛօ Christian" is a modern Jєωιѕн concoction, meant to co-opt our historically Puritan nation of anti-Catholic rebels.  
    I think that is a bit of a stretch
    it just means Jєωs and Christians
    We are focused on the same God. The Jєωs will not embrace Christianity if they perceive Christians as hating them
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #6 on: January 30, 2018, 11:48:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on January 30, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
    I think that is a bit of a stretch
    it just means Jєωs and Christians
    We are focused on the same God. The Jєωs will not embrace Christianity if they perceive Christians as hating them

    The term "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" is not Catholic. Some believe the term is made up by Jєωs, but actually I think it may be made up by Protestants. Either way, it's wrong. Catholicism comes from the Judaism of old. тαℓмυdic Judaism is fake Judaism. And in any case, God's chosen people are no longer the Jєωs. They rejected their Messiah. 

    But I do agree that Jєωs will not embrace Christianity if they perceive Christians as hating them. Though some have done so, thankfully. 

    Some here will be appalled by me saying this but I rather like Mother Miriam, a Jєωιѕн convert who stated a convent in Tulsa, Oklahoma, but if I'm correct, she was asked to leave the diocese by the horrible new Novus Ordo bishop there. I once listened to Mother Miriam being interviewed by EWTN. She was so very orthodox in her views (regarding marriage, I believe it was); so much so that the EWTN interviewer tried to steer her away from it and change the subject, but she refused. 



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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #7 on: January 30, 2018, 01:55:14 PM »
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    • Is it correct to speak of our "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" heritage?
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    http://www.sspx.org/Catholic_FAQs/catholic_faqs__theological.htm#ʝʊdɛօ_christian
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    The term "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" is not a recent invention of the ecuмenical age, as it would first seem. It is a very ancient term, dating from the beginning of Christianity. The ʝʊdɛօ-Christians were originally converts to the Faith from Judaism, but who still practiced circuмcision and observed the Mosaic law, and attempted to impose this upon the converts from amongst the Gentiles. They were first condemned by the Council of Jerusalem in the year 49, as told in Chapter 15 of the Acts of the Apostles.
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    Thereafter two groups of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians emerged. There were those who simply kept the Mosaic law themselves, but who did not attempt to impose it upon other Christians, and who were not heretical. They were called Nazarenes, and rapidly disappeared after the destruction of Jerusalem in the year 70. The other group of ʝʊdɛօ-Christians were also called Ebionites. They were truly heretical, considered the Mosaic law obligatory, and denied the divinity of Christ, the Virgin birth, and the work and writings of St. Paul. They also gave rise to various Gnostic sects. It is for this reason that the title "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" is a pejorative one, opposed to doctrinal orthodoxy.
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    The attempt to describe one’s morality or principles as "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian" is consequently not at all traditional. It could theoretically be used to describe one’s attachment to the moral principles of the Bible, including the Ten Commandments, as being the principles of all moral life, and which the Church received from the Israelites.
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    However, there are a couple of problems. The first one is that the Jєωs themselves in the time of Our Lord, did not keep the moral principles of the Old Law, as Our Lord did not cease reiterating. How could one possibly use the title of "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage" to express one’s attachment to these principles, when the Jєωs themselves practiced polygamy and divorce; when the Jєωs did not hesitate to undermine the first and great commandment of the love of God and neighbor, by teaching the exact opposite: "love your neighbor and hate your enemy" (Mt. 5:43), or "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" (Mt. 5:3? How could we possibly use this title when the vast majority of Jєωs have no problem with euthanasia, abortion, birth control, divorce, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, and even the elimination of God, and love towards our neighbor from public life, politics, education and the courts? What could this title "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage" consequently really mean?
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    If it is used to indicate those who observe the Ten Commandments, and keep them as the foundation of all morality, then let that be said explicitly: our heritage is the Ten Commandments. Let there be no ambiguity. However, it is not Jєωιѕн. It is our Catholic heritage. The Catholic Church has in fact succeeded the Israel of the Old Testament, as being the true people of God. Present-day Jєωs are not a part of this heritage, nor are they our older brothers in the Faith, as the Pope has, alas, stated. They do not have the true Faith, the Faith of the Catholic Church, for they explicitly reject and refuse to believe in Christ, the Son of God made man, despite the fact that He fulfilled all the prophecies of the Old Testament. By refusing to believe in the Holy Trinity, they refuse to believe in God as He has revealed Himself. They consequently have not had the faith of Abraham, who believed everything that God revealed to him, since Christ revealed this mystery of the Trinity.
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    The existence in the Church of a modern, liberal, ecuмenical concept of a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage dates back to the Vatican II docuмent on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions, Nostra Aetate. This declaration mentions twice that "Christians and Jєωs have a common spiritual heritage" (§4), without explaining what that is. If by this is meant that we share that part of sacred Scripture that we call the Old Testament, it is partly right (the Jєωs reject seven inspired books of the Old Testament). If, however, by this is meant that there is something common with respect to our spiritual life, Faith and moral principles, then it is entirely wrong, for present-day Judaism is based upon the denial of the most basic truths of the Catholic Faith.
    Consequently, this politically correct term "ʝʊdɛօ-Christian heritage" must be regarded as vague, deliberately ambiguous, liberal, favoring indifferentism and ecuмenism, and not at all orthodox.  
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    [Answered by Fr. Peter R. Scott]

    From a saved word docuмent. You won't find this on the SSPX website now.
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #8 on: January 30, 2018, 02:04:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 30, 2018, 01:55:14 PM

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    [Answered by Fr. Peter R. Scott]

    From a saved word docuмent. You won't find this on the SSPX website now.
    Why am I not surprised?
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #9 on: January 30, 2018, 02:32:39 PM »
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    Quote from: graceseeker on Tue Jan 30 2018 11:22:11 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)

        it just means Jєωs and Christians
        We are focused on the same God.

    graceseeker is a crypto-Jєω. The Jєωs reject Jesus Christ, thereby rejecting the true God, which is why Christ calls the Jєωs the "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" in Apocalypse of St. John 2:9 & 3:9.

    Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also.
    ~ 1 John 2:22-23

    And every spirit that dissolveth Jesus, is not of God: and this is Antichrist, of whom you have heard that he cometh, and he is now already in the world.
    ~ 1 John 4:3

    He came unto his own, and his own received him not.  But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name.  Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    ~ John 1:11-13

    Jєωs' Babylonian тαℓмυd teaches:

    “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.”  ~ Gittin 57a

     Yashu (Jesus) was sɛҳuąƖly immoral and worshipped a brick.” ~ Sanhedrin 107b

     “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jєωιѕн people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” ~ Sotah 47a

     “Miriam (Virgin Mary) the hairdresser had sex with many men.” ~ Shabbath 104b, Hebrew Edition only

     “She (Virgin Mary) who was the descendant of princes and governors  played the harlot with carpenters.” ~ Sanhedrin 106a


    "Yashu" is a derogatory name reserved for Jesus by the Jєωs. It's an acronym for the Jєωιѕн curse, "May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore" which comes from "yimakh shemo".

    This is why Jєωs peculiarly avoid saying the Holy Name of Jesus, and they've worked fervently to eliminate "Christmas" and replace it with "Happy Holidays", and why they pathologically avoid the Cross. It's like they're vampires repelled by a crucifix.

    Jєωs are of Antichrist. They are not of God.
    Jєωs worship a false god "Ein Soph" and "Shekinah", masculine and feminine emanations, respectively. While at the "Wailing Wall" (actually Fort Antonia), the Jєωs engage in a Satanic ritual called "davening" whereby the Jєω thrusts his pelvis back and forth in "prayer" as an act of copulation with ‘"Shekinah" in order to give birth to an erotic union with "Ein Sop".

    This Satanic ritual of recognizing both a masculine & feminine "god" transcends to the perfidy of Jєωs' works, which is why they have worked to blur sɛҳuąƖ identity and reject ontological reality, and promote fαɢɢօty perversions like "transgenderism".

    The Jєωs have a demonic spirit in them resulting from the events in Matthew 27:25. They are racially cursed.

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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #10 on: January 30, 2018, 02:48:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on January 30, 2018, 11:22:11 AM

    I think that is a bit of a stretch
    it just means Jєωs and Christians
    We are focused on the same God    . The Jєωs will not embrace Christianity if they perceive Christians as hating them
    What a blasphemous, adulterous thing to say about our Lord God. He who does not have the Son, has not the Father. That is defined, solemn, infallible Catholic dogma. And if you deny that, you have no "grace".
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #11 on: January 30, 2018, 03:00:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: JezusDeKoning on January 30, 2018, 02:48:24 PM
    What a blasphemous, adulterous thing to say about our Lord God. He who does not have the Son, has not the Father. That is defined, solemn, infallible Catholic dogma. And if you deny that, you have no "grace".
    Not only does he have no grace, but he's not even Catholic for believing that Jєωs focus on the same God as Catholics.
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #12 on: January 30, 2018, 07:21:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on January 30, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
    I think that is a bit of a stretch
    it just means Jєωs and Christians
    We are focused on the same God. The Jєωs will not embrace Christianity if they perceive Christians as hating them
    Wrong.  

    From wikipedia:


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    History of the term
    The term is used, as "ʝʊdɛօ Christian", at least as far back as in a letter from Alexander M'Caul dated October 17, 1821. The term in this case referred to Jєωιѕн converts to Christianity. The term is used similarly by Joseph Wolff in 1829, referring to a style of church that would keep with some Jєωιѕн traditions in order to convert Jєωs.

    Use of the German term judenchristlich ("Jєωιѕн-Christian"), in a decidedly negative sense, can be found in the late writings of Friedrich Nietzsche, who emphasized what he saw as neglected aspects of continuity between the Jєωιѕн world view and that of Christianity. The expression appears in The Antichrist, published in 1895 and written several years earlier; a fuller development of Nietzsche's argument can be found in a prior work, On the Genealogy of Morality.

    Promoting the concept of United States as a ʝʊdɛօ-Christian nation first became a political program in the 1940s, in response to the growth of anti-Semitism in America. The rise of nαzι anti-semitism in the 1930s led concerned Protestants, Catholics, and Jєωs to take steps to increase understanding and tolerance.

    In this effort, precursors of the National Conference of Christians and Jєωs created teams consisting of a priest, a rabbi, and a minister, to run programs across the country, and fashion a more pluralistic America, no longer defined as a Christian land, but "one nurtured by three ennobling traditions: Protestantism, Catholicism and Judaism....The phrase 'ʝʊdɛօ-Christian' entered the contemporary lexicon as the standard liberal term for the idea that Western values rest on a religious consensus that included Jєωs."
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    Re: anti-Jєω folks: Jesus was a Jєω, His Church still "Jєωιѕн"...
    « Reply #13 on: January 30, 2018, 08:08:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: graceseeker on January 30, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
    I think that is a bit of a stretch
    it just means Jєωs and Christians
    We are focused on the same God. The Jєωs will not embrace Christianity if they perceive Christians as hating them
    Since when are you a Catholic, what exactly is your education? From just what you've written on this thread, I'd suggest you read limit yourself to asking questions and do not make any comments.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 31, 2018, 03:18:32 AM »
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    • The Jєωιѕн religion was the foundation of our own;

    Pope Pius X to Herzl
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