To respond to your comment really my criticism of certain SSPX folk is valid. Many have learned the hard way of where voting 'pro life' and where Christian Democracy gets them.

I don't dispute  many SSPX folk in Ireland  will vote Fianna Fail because of 'pro life'. The majority of Irish people won't vote for any of these parties so why are SSPX folk willing to do so?

If people are willing to follow a dead end road or deadbeats what can one do.

Are they willing to forget what this party did to our people and country?

I am not a 'civic' Nationalist.

The Dublin SSPX chapel mainly elderly folk tend to vote Christian Solidarity party. A dead end road.

My point is many SSPX folk are out of touch with the Irish people and by voting 'pro life' keep themselves on a reservation.

In the middle of setting up the Irish People's Party, Richard Greene then becomes leader of the Christian Solidarity party. They mean well but are all over the place.

Most Irish people are sick of political parties and favour a movement.

Given the state of England, I am surprised that Clare takes to task those, who offer a real alternative.

Maximilian Krah is a Christian Democrat. There is little difference between his views and the Christian Solidarity party in Ireland which many SSPX laity support and have contested elections for.

Why SSPX folk want to prop up deadbeats of the establishment is beyond me. Traitors to their people and country.

I'm taking you to task, not for offering a real alternative per se, but for dissing everyone else as traitors!

(A real alternative suits me, but it would also need to be an alternative to your proposed alternative. A fourth position, say!)

The traitors are the political parties. I have never called SSPX folk traitors. If they want to follow a dead end, it is a matter for them but many people in Ireland are seeking an alternative.

Some SSPX folk are prepared to vote Fianna Fail again because of 'pro-life'. In my own opinion the only thing FF politicians deserve is the firing squad after what that party did to Ireland.

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I'm taking you to task, not for offering a real alternative per se, but for dissing everyone else as traitors!

(A real alternative suits me, but it would also need to be an alternative to your proposed alternative. A fourth position, say!)

The traitors are the political parties. I have never called SSPX folk traitors....

Ooops, yes, I see that now. Apologies for that misunderstanding.

But you do diss those who disagree. For example, you keep referring to New Templar, whose "name" will mean nothing to most people on the forum (except me!) as an exemplar (that rhymes!) of wrong-headed folk.

He is the least of our problems.  I am not hostile to him.  My point regarding him is he should tell people why he supports Bishop Fellay.

I don't mean to be personal or critical but just won't waste time on a dead end. A positive thing is a political alternative is emerging. Even Direct Democracy Ireland is neither left or right and their meetings are well attended.

I don't dispute people mean well but many appear out of touch with the people.

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I'm taking you to task, not for offering a real alternative per se, but for dissing everyone else as traitors!

(A real alternative suits me, but it would also need to be an alternative to your proposed alternative. A fourth position, say!)

The traitors are the political parties. I have never called SSPX folk traitors....

Ooops, yes, I see that now. Apologies for that misunderstanding.

But you do diss those who disagree. For example, you keep referring to New Templar, whose "name" will mean nothing to most people on the forum (except me!) as an exemplar (that rhymes!) of wrong-headed folk.

Yes, I accept the name means nothing. My intention was not to diss him but perhaps to add fairness to the discussion, perhaps he could defend Bishop Fellay.

If many Irish SSPX laity supported a man, who aligned his organisation to a Jєωιѕн group, how or why would they be alarmed by the Zionist connection.