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Offline Marlelar

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Another thought on Halloween
« on: October 31, 2013, 06:53:19 PM »
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  • A Catholic holiday

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2013, 07:10:10 PM »
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  • I fail to see the connection between Halloween (today) being about mocking the devil and having children impersonate characters of the occult.

    It's a weak blog post.

    Obviously Hallow'een is a Catholic Holiday.  But dressing up as Satan or one of his minions is not.  
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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2013, 07:14:31 PM »
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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #3 on: October 31, 2013, 09:24:49 PM »
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  • There is no Catholic Halloween

    There is Catholic All Saints Day eve or All Hallows Eve in the English Vernacular but NO Halloween.

    The Roman Calendar in the Roman Breviary from 1956 shows the last feast day in October is October 28, the Feast of Saints Simon and Jude. There is a feast that depends on which day is the last Sunday in October, a most important feast, if it falls on October 31 then it is there, the Feast of Our Lord Jesus Christ the King. There is no feast specifically assigned to October 31, but first Vespers, which is always said on the evening of the day before, from November 1 All Saints, is therefore always on October 31 evening.

    Scanned from the 1956
    Roman Diurnal
    The Hours of the Day
    Of The
    Roman Breviary
    Imprimatur
    Tornaci, die 3 Augusti 1956


    OCTOBER 28

    STS. SIMON AND JUDE, Apostles

    DOUBLE OF THE SECOND CLASS


    THE LAST SUNDAY IN OCTOBER

    FEAST OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST THE KING

    DOUBLE OF THE FIRST CLASS



    NOVEMBER 1

    ALL SAINTS

    DOUBLE OF THE FIRST CLASS

    I VESPERS [first vespers – I VESPERS, which is said on October 31 in the evening – All Saints day eve – or in the English vernacular All Hallows Eve, hallows from “holy” meaning saints]

    Antiphons from Laud’s. Psalms from I Vespers of the Apostles, p.815.

    LITTLE CHAPTER Apoc. 7, 2-3

    Ecce ego Joannes vidi ál-
    erum Angelum ascen-
    dentem ab ortu solis, ha-
    bentem signum Dei vivi;
    et clamávit voce magna
    quátuor Angelis, quibus da-
    tum est nocére terr et
    man, dicens : Nolite nocére
    terre et man neque arbo-
    ribus, quoadüsque signé-
    mus servos Dei nostri in
    fróntibus eórum.


    Behold, I, John, saw another
    Angel ascending from the
    rising of the sun, having the
    sign of the living God. And
    he cried with a loud voice to
    the four Angels, to whom it
    was given to hurt the earth
    and the sea, saying: Hurt not
    the earth, nor the sea, nor the
    trees, till we sign the servants
    of our God on their foreheads.

    HYMN

    Placáre, Christe, sérvulis,
    Quibus Patris cleméntiam
    Tuae ad tribunal gratiae
    Patróna Virgo póstulat.
    Et vos, beãta per novem
    Distincta gyros ágmina,
    Antiqua cum praeséntibus,
    Futura damna péllite.
    Apóstoli cum Vátibus,
    Apud sevérum Judicem
    Veris reórum flétibus
    Expóscite indulgentiarn.
    Vos, purpuráti Mártyres,
    Vos, candidãti praemio
    Confessiónis, éxsules
    Vocáte nos in patriam.
    Choréa casta Virginum,
    Et quos erémus incolas
    Transmisit astris, caelitum
    Locate nos in sédibus.
    Auférte gentem pérfidam
    Credéntium de finibus,
    Ut unus omnes ünicum
    Ovile nos Pastor regat.
    Deo Patri sit gloria,
    Natoque Patris unico,
    Sancto simul Parãclito,
    In sempitérna saecula.
    Amen.

    V. Laetámini in Domino
    et exsultáte, justi.
    R. Et gloriámini, omnes
    recti corde.


    O Christ, be merciful to thy
    servants, for whom Mary
    their Patroness, implores the
    Father’s mercy at the tribunal
    of thy grace.
    And ye, O heavenly hosts,
    composed of nine choirs, keep
    far from us all evils, past,
    present and future.
    Ye Apostles and Propets,
    who stand before the unyeild-
    ing Judge; implore pardon
    for the guilty, who truly bewail
    their faults.
    O ye purple-robed Martyrs,
    and ye holy Confessors,
    clothed in the white robe of
    triumph call us from exile to
    the fatherland.
    Chaste choirs of Virgins and
    all ye holy Hermits, now
    inhabitants of heaven, obtain
    for us thrones among the
    blessed.
    Banish from the land of the
    faithful the perfidious race,
    so that the unique Shepard
    may rule over all, united in one
    fold.
    Glory be to God the Father,
    and to his only-begotten Son,
    and to the Holy Paraclete,
    forever and ever.
    Amen.

    V. Be glad in the Lord, and
    Exult, ye just.
    R. And glory
    all ye upright of heart.


    NOTICE – “Banish from the land of the
    faithful the perfidious race,”
    NOTHING about convert the Jews, that race (the perfidious race) is already judged. Period. That especially meant KEEP THEM OUT OF THE HOLY LAND!!! (Palestine)


    Ad Magn Ant. Angeli,
    * Archangeli, Throni et
    Dominationes, Princjpátus
    Et Potestátes, Virtütes caelo-
    rum, Cherabim  atque Séra-
    phim, Patriarchae et Pro-
    phetae, sancti legis Doctóres,
    Apóstoli, omnes Christi
    Mártyres, sanctj Confessó-
    res, Virgines Dómini, Ana-
    choritae, Sanctique omnes,
    intercédite pro nobis.

    At the Magnif. Ant. Ye
    Angels, * and Archangels,
    Thrones and Dominations,
    Principalities and Powers, Vir-
    tues of the heavens, Cherubim
    and Seraphim, Patriarchs and
    Prophets, holy Doctors of the
    law, Apostles, all ye Martyrs
    of Christ, holy Confessors,
    Virgins of the Lord, Anch-
    orites, and all ye Saints,
    intercede for us.

    The Prayer as at Lauds.
    Compline  of Sunday, p. 62

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #4 on: October 31, 2013, 10:19:25 PM »
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  • Halloween is Irish American Catholic.  And we as Irish Catholic go To Mass on Nov 1 and 2. It's our roots are from Ireland.  What's the matter with Irish culture?    It is similiar to mexico's day of dead.  

    In America they are removing Halloween from public schools because connection to Irish Catholicism.   They are trying remove St Columbus too saying it is fact.  St Patrick day in Ireland is a day of prayer.  The liberals are working hard to replace the shamrock with the four leaf clover.  

    I think it is great that many Catholics have children dressed up as saints and angels. What an awesome way to celebrate our Catholic faith.  

    Non Catholic holidays wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Christmas.

    A couple hours ago I was verbally attacked by an Irish "Catholic" councilman because I was pro life and pro marriage.   I was called a racist because I didn't vote for Obama.  I was uninformed voter because I won't vote for Ms Planned parenthood Barbara buono and same sex marriage.  I'm a bigot because I support marriage.



    I asked why the local novus ordo parish shutdown.  
    Why doesn't the local school have normal Halloween and Christmas.  
    I told him that it is a disgrace to walk down a middle school and see pictures of Mennorahs near pictures of Christmas trees.   Menorah is religious symbol Christmas tree secular.

    He starting getting really nasty with me.   Saying I'm a racist Bigot.  He says that he can't wait to marry gay people.   He said that everyone should be treated equally.  Maybe he wants to be next Mayor.

    The mayor is one of the few novous ordo Catholics who is prolife.  I also heard that he will refuse Marry same sex couples.  




    In Philadelphia and New Jersey liberalism is  the thinking of most novus ordo Catholics.  

    We as Catholics will soon be faced with further persecutions.  

    We need to get our priorities straight and work and pray together to defend the faith.  

    These people are being led astray by their priests and bishops of novus ordo.  The Camden Diocese blew $20,000 to learn that people in their diocese don't know their Catholic faith.  











    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #5 on: October 31, 2013, 10:26:07 PM »
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  • The period after the first vespers of the feast of All Saints Day. This night is holy.
    We should be in prayer.
     :pray: :pray: :pray: :incense: :incense: :incense: :pray: :pray: :pray:

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #6 on: November 01, 2013, 02:35:56 AM »
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  • The Church regards All Saints Day as a time for honoring the saints. Today, there is a growing concern among Christians that the modern celebration of Halloween trivializes and even glamorizes evil, the occult, and superstitious and pagan practices and beliefs that are incompatible with the Christian faith. To reclaim the sacredness of the eve of All Saints, we need to create a counterculture that will serve as a Christ-centered alternative to Halloween by starting a tradition of our own. The March of Saints is a fitting tradition that can be firmly established in every parish and diocese to reclaim the sacredness of All Saints Day and to give back the glory to God.

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #7 on: November 01, 2013, 06:59:15 AM »
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  • If Halloween is evil then so is day of the dead.  And don't you put up a Christmas tree because that is evil and pagan too.   Lol.  

    Anyway, our Church is having a party after Mass.  The children will be dressed up as saints.  


    I'm Catholic not Protestant.  

    There is a time and place for everything.  

    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)


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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #8 on: November 01, 2013, 07:04:30 AM »
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  • And today it is All Saints Day
    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #9 on: November 01, 2013, 11:15:50 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    Halloween is Irish American Catholic.  And we as Irish Catholic go To Mass on Nov 1 and 2. It's our roots are from Ireland.  What's the matter with Irish culture?    It is similiar to mexico's day of dead.  

    In America they are removing Halloween from public schools because connection to Irish Catholicism.   They are trying remove St Columbus too saying it is fact.  St Patrick day in Ireland is a day of prayer.  The liberals are working hard to replace the shamrock with the four leaf clover.  

    I think it is great that many Catholics have children dressed up as saints and angels. What an awesome way to celebrate our Catholic faith.  

    Non Catholic holidays wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Christmas.

    A couple hours ago I was verbally attacked by an Irish "Catholic" councilman because I was pro life and pro marriage.   I was called a racist because I didn't vote for Obama.  I was uninformed voter because I won't vote for Ms Planned parenthood Barbara buono and same sex marriage.  I'm a bigot because I support marriage.



    I asked why the local novus ordo parish shutdown.  
    Why doesn't the local school have normal Halloween and Christmas.  
    I told him that it is a disgrace to walk down a middle school and see pictures of Mennorahs near pictures of Christmas trees.   Menorah is religious symbol Christmas tree secular.

    He starting getting really nasty with me.   Saying I'm a racist Bigot.  He says that he can't wait to marry gay people.   He said that everyone should be treated equally.  Maybe he wants to be next Mayor.

    The mayor is one of the few novous ordo Catholics who is prolife.  I also heard that he will refuse Marry same sex couples.  




    In Philadelphia and New Jersey liberalism is  the thinking of most novus ordo Catholics.  

    We as Catholics will soon be faced with further persecutions.  

    We need to get our priorities straight and work and pray together to defend the faith.  

    These people are being led astray by their priests and bishops of novus ordo.  The Camden Diocese blew $20,000 to learn that people in their diocese don't know their Catholic faith.  



    Whats the matter with American culture you should ask.
    Why do americans think that their anglo society ought to be imposed on the rest of the world. America is the filth factory of the world infecting the world like a virus with its materialistic hyper individualism. At least at haloween the neighbours are in some small contact with each other. But in England it is normal to live next door to someone for 20 years and not know even their name. I think these community gatherings are important, it reminds us that we belong as one family. And as far as it not being Catholic, haloween makes light heart of notions of demons and evil, but it might remind people that there is such a thing, just as a certain football team with the red devils as their name and logo might remind people that there is such a thing as devils. The whole thing has some memory of Christianity in it.
    America is no role model, and Ireland does not have nearly as inhuman a society as you, but probably because American Catholics feel more under pressure from their government they go too puritanical and lose sight of the fact that this holiday has no significance other than "craic".
    Also, it was the Irish monks who came up with the format of confession to priests behind a screen, and it was us, and nobody else, who brought Catholicism to Europe full of warlike pagans.

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #10 on: November 01, 2013, 11:25:50 AM »
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  • We had to delay our family rosary until 8:30 last night because of the constant interruption of people BANGING ON OUR FRONT DOOR. We had all the lights turned off yet there was still pounding on our door and requests for candy.



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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #11 on: November 01, 2013, 11:29:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    We had to delay our family rosary until 8:30 last night because of the constant interruption of people BANGING ON OUR FRONT DOOR. We had all the lights turned off yet there was still pounding on our door and requests for candy.



    Did you tell them they are condemned to hell or did you just give them sweets?

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #12 on: November 01, 2013, 11:32:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
    If Halloween is evil then so is day of the dead.  And don't you put up a Christmas tree because that is evil and pagan too.   Lol.  

    Anyway, our Church is having a party after Mass.  The children will be dressed up as saints.  


    I'm Catholic not Protestant.  

    There is a time and place for everything.  



    I remember a few years ago there was a photograph of children from an SSPX chapel published in the 'Irish Family Press' newspaper. The children were dressed as saints.

    I remember at the time a few 'objections'. I was surprised at the objections.

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #13 on: November 01, 2013, 11:33:13 AM »
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  • Yesterday was like a monsoon here, so there was no trick or treaters in sight.

    Our SSPX Chapel is having an All Saints' Day party this Sunday. The children will dress up as Saints.  :smile:

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    Another thought on Halloween
    « Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 11:36:28 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    We had to delay our family rosary until 8:30 last night because of the constant interruption of people BANGING ON OUR FRONT DOOR. We had all the lights turned off yet there was still pounding on our door and requests for candy.



    We had only the one bang on the door. Last year two. The year before three or four. It seems to vary where one lives.


     

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