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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2019, 02:10:46 PM »
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  • Prudence should dictate care and caution in this realm, and men should have enough self-control not to jump at suspicions.

    Marrying a divorcee automatically brings prudent suspicions along with it.  People should avoid coming to definitive conclusions based on such a suspicion, but the suspicion is unavoidable.  And no, not everyone has run their situation by a priest, especially if they know it's irregular.

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    Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
    « Reply #61 on: February 12, 2019, 02:20:13 PM »
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  • Marrying a divorcee automatically brings prudent suspicions along with it.
    And there are far too many "divorcees". Divorce needs to become much less socially acceptable than it currently is. Right now, it's treated about like having blond hair. "No big deal."
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    Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
    « Reply #62 on: February 12, 2019, 02:29:37 PM »
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  • And there are far too many "divorcees". Divorce needs to become much less socially acceptable than it currently is. Right now, it's treated about like having blond hair. "No big deal."

    Yes, even when it's justified based on ecclesiastical criteria, it still should be viewed as a bad thing.

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    Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
    « Reply #63 on: February 12, 2019, 02:30:44 PM »
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    1. While my uncle did marry a divorced woman, that doesn't mean he wasn't validly married. Could be any number of reasons, including: Pauline/Petrine privilege, annulment of her previous marriage, or the previous spouse is now deceased. Terminology can be muddied in the modern world. Yes, sometimes people continue to identify as divorced even though they are not, or a widow, by Catholic thinking.
    Look, words have meaning.  If your uncle is validly married according to the Church, yet says that she was "formerly divorced" then he is using faulty terminology and those who interpret the use of the word "divorced" as meaning "formerly sacramentally married" would not be wrong.

    In the case of the pauline/petrine privilege, the woman is not "divorced" in the eyes of the Church since her first "marriage" was just a natural union and not a true, sacramental marriage.

    In the case of an annulment, there was never a marriage, so divorce isn't supposed to be part of the explanation.

    If your uncle used correct terminolgy, then the "talking behind his back" wouldn't be bad but just truthful fact-sharing.

    Example:  If when i was 6 years old, my younger brother died in a car wreck because I didn't buckle his seat belt like my mom told me to, of course this is an accident.  But if I walked around telling people "When I was young, I killed my brother" they would rightly interpret that I actually, physically killed him...because those are the words I am using to convey the idea.

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    Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
    « Reply #64 on: Yesterday at 07:28:18 PM »
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  • Look, words have meaning. 
    Yes, words have meaning. They have meaning for people outside the traditional movement, who may in some cases use these words in a different sense.
    If you insist on interpreting words according to a sense a person didn't intend, that's on you.


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    Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
    « Reply #65 on: Yesterday at 08:32:02 PM »
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  • Yes, words have meaning. They have meaning for people outside the traditional movement, who may in some cases use these words in a different sense.
    Then words have no meaning.
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    Re: Annulments - VII church path to hell by Adultery
    « Reply #66 on: Today at 10:50:58 AM »
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  • Yes, words have meaning. They have meaning for people outside the traditional movement, who may in some cases use these words in a different sense.
    If you insist on interpreting words according to a sense a person didn't intend, that's on you.

    Presumably YOU are a Traditional Catholic posting on a Traditional Catholic forum, so the expectation is for you to use the proper terms, even if worldlings do not.

     

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