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Offline twiceborn

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« on: July 04, 2010, 04:11:47 PM »
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  • For a while I have been drawn towards reading Anne Catherine Emmerich's Dolorous Passion book (and probably the rest of her works) but something kind of turns me off from doing so. More likely a lingering doubt over the authenticity and soundness of the work. So I was wondering what exactly is her status and that of her revelations in The Church and what, if any, is the opinion of those who have read her. Is it worthwhile to do so? Or do you think not?

    I was thinking about getting this edition of her book:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1905574029/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1905574029&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    Any comments are appreciated.

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    « Reply #1 on: July 04, 2010, 04:21:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: twiceborn
    For a while I have been drawn towards reading Anne Catherine Emmerich's Dolorous Passion book (and probably the rest of her works) but something kind of turns me off from doing so. More likely a lingering doubt over the authenticity and soundness of the work. So I was wondering what exactly is her status and that of her revelations in The Church and what, if any, is the opinion of those who have read her. Is it worthwhile to do so? Or do you think not?

    I was thinking about getting this edition of her book:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1905574029/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1905574029&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    Any comments are appreciated.

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    I was always put off because I presumed it would be hard going reading her writing.  But recently I thought I would give it a try and am currently reading The life of our saviour Jesus Christ volume IV.

    It is beautifully written and I have no doubt at all that it is 100% authentic.  The non-Biblical events depicted really add immensely to the deposit of faith and there is nothing that even feels like an attempt to write something which is not entirely true.

    She describes the Apostles in the lead up to and the creation of the Church including describing the last supper and how Christ used it to teach the apostles how to say Mass.  It describes our Lord performing the first consecrations of the Apostles and them going on to do the consecrations on others.

    It fits in exactly with tradition and puts into words what we all presume happened anyway.

    I believe the earlier volumes describe the history of man from Adam and Eve (I started reading at Volume IV).

    I cannot recommend the books enough.

    As for veracity, I recall reading somewhere that all of the things she describes that can be verified (such as locations of places, clothing, and foods) are all accurate and are things that Catherine could not have known.  This gives further weight to supporting the books.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 04, 2010, 04:26:26 PM »
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  • Hi Twiceborn, Get a nice cup of coffee and settle in with either Dolorous Passion or The Life of the Blessed Virgin Mary.  The latter is one of my favorite books ever.

    ChantCD, the owner of this forum, can sell either of these books to you.
     :reading: :reading: :reading:

    You are in for a HUGE treat!  I wish I could be there to share it with you!


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    « Reply #3 on: July 04, 2010, 04:52:05 PM »
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  • Thanks for the comments! What do you both think about the article written by Solanage Hertz on Emmerich?

    http://jloughnan.tripod.com/salace.htm

    It raises some arguments against her revelations and their authenticity.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 04, 2010, 05:04:48 PM »
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  • I'd read the books first, and then see if I agree with Mrs. Hertz.  

    Relax and enjoy something extremely beautiful.  Take a vacation from this wicked world, see how much you will love to pray your Rosary.  
     :cheers:



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    « Reply #5 on: July 04, 2010, 05:26:28 PM »
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  • Please, read it!!! it´s one of the most wonderful and beasutiful private revelations we have! Anne Catherine is "Venerable". You can´t never recommend this book enough!

    Enjoy it and let us know about it, pls!

    Cristian

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    « Reply #6 on: July 04, 2010, 06:00:00 PM »
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  • I found this in a homily by Pope John Paul II:

    "Anna Katharina Emmerick served salvation in both ways. Her words, which have reached innumerable people in many languages from her modest room in Dülmen through the writings of Clemens Brentano, are an outstanding proclamation of the gospel in service to salvation right up to the present day."

    http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20041003_emmerick_en.html

    I guess this reveals a positive attitude towards her writings from the part of The Church.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 04, 2010, 10:26:48 PM »
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  • ... I have to pick my battles more carefully, and I am staying out of this one.  But briefly, just like another German mystic, Hildegard von Bingen, Emmerich troubles me.  It's not just guilt by association either, though they are both very popular with those who will most likely one day be deemed anti-Popes and other modernists.  

    I get a bad feeling just reading about them; not that this is proof of anything.  But Hildegard comes off like a proto-feminist, and Emmerich, at times, like a proto-theosophist.  However, because Brentano was the one who recorded so many of Emmerich's visions, people will always blame the bad aspects of them on him, and attribute all the good to Emmerich.  Brentano is really the perfect alibi.  

    I think the devil used certain people to break open a door in the Church and that sometimes these people seemed very holy to their contemporaries.  They were ahead of their time and complex in a way that was fascinating, but were their powers really from God?  

    Mind you, I used to think St. Joan of Arc was a witch and now she is one of my favorites.  I am not drawing any conclusions, just expressing an uneasy feeling.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 04, 2010, 10:41:50 PM »
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  • P.S. It was before I knew that canonizations were infallible ( at least I believe they are ) that I questioned Joan of Arc.

    However, I have doubts about the later canonizations of Pius XII, such as Pius X.  And of course, I don't accept the "canonizations" of VII at all.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 04, 2010, 11:00:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Raoul76
    ... I have to pick my battles more carefully, and I am staying out of this one.  But briefly, just like another German mystic, Hildegard von Bingen, Emmerich troubles me.  It's not just guilt by association either, though they are both very popular with those who will most likely one day be deemed anti-Popes and other modernists.  

    I get a bad feeling just reading about them; not that this is proof of anything.  But Hildegard comes off like a proto-feminist, and Emmerich, at times, like a proto-theosophist.  However, because Brentano was the one who recorded so many of Emmerich's visions, people will always blame the bad aspects of them on him, and attribute all the good to Emmerich.  Brentano is really the perfect alibi.  

    I think the devil used certain people to break open a door in the Church and that sometimes these people seemed very holy to their contemporaries.  They were ahead of their time and complex in a way that was fascinating, but were their powers really from God?  

    Mind you, I used to think St. Joan of Arc was a witch and now she is one of my favorites.  I am not drawing any conclusions, just expressing an uneasy feeling.


    Fair enough. I can understand the way you feel and that unease on reading her is something I have felt myself. I honestly can't put my finder on it, but while I do feel interested in reading her visions, there is something that turns me off. I see a lot of positive feedback on her but there is that instinct in me telling me not to spend time with it.

    I don't know, really, maybe my distrust or fear is misplaced and I am missing out of something great to which I feel inclined because it would be a positive influence on my faith.

    I'll have to think more about this.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 04, 2010, 11:14:25 PM »
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  • Mike has certain intellectual habits and psychological reference points that tend to prejudice his opinion on certain kinds of mystical writers and theologians.  I think it really comes down to a manner of speaking and an entirely different frame of reference.  Thus, anyone who makes him feel uncomfortable, he automatically suspects.        


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    « Reply #11 on: July 04, 2010, 11:17:02 PM »
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  • Quote from: Caminus
    Mike has certain intellectual habits and psychological reference points that tend to prejudice his opinion on certain kinds of mystical writers and theologians.  I think it really comes down to a manner of speaking and an entirely different frame of reference.  Thus, anyone who makes him feel uncomfortable, he automatically suspects.        


    Hi there Caminus :)

    What is your view on Emmerich and her visions?

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    « Reply #12 on: July 04, 2010, 11:23:29 PM »
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  • I haven't read her, but I can recommend Ven. Mary of Agreda's 'The Divine Life of the Most Holy Virgin.'  As Jamie pointed out with regard to Emmerich, Agreda's 'behind the Gospel scenes' revelations make meditation extremely efficacious.  My imagination tends to be rather shallow and anemic.  But when one reads this work in a spirit of prayer, it's as if one is almost transported in history.  

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    « Reply #13 on: July 05, 2010, 12:49:12 AM »
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  •   Emmerich believed that our Lady was not conceived in the normal way. Though St. Joachim was her true and biological father, her conception happened through some supernatural phenomena.

    Read online. by scrolling down you can read the book chapter by chapter in pdf:

    http://www.jesus-passion.com/DOLOROUS_PASSION_OF_OUR_LORD_JESUS_CHRIST.htm

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    « Reply #14 on: July 05, 2010, 06:56:30 AM »
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  • If you read the critique, the question here is how much of these books actually comes from Emmerick vs. from Brentano.  So it's hard to know what Catherine herself saw, believed, and said vs. Brentano's embellishment and interpretation.  In some cases, Brentano was going off of sketchy notes that he was trying to interpret years later.