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Offline Vintagewife3

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Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2018, 08:44:58 AM »
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  • Because women were taking things personally and being overly emotional.
    It’s been mostly delivery. Some times you can come across really nice, and others it feels like women are a burden to you.

    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #46 on: July 07, 2018, 08:59:02 AM »
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  • Intellectual debates are hindered from their purpose, which is to search for truth, by feelings and personal sentimentality.  


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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #47 on: July 07, 2018, 09:03:48 AM »
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  • Intellectual debates are hindered from their purpose, which is to search for truth, by feelings and personal sentimentality.  
    Or you know you can use your intellect to come across kinder, and not let your point get lost by harshness.

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #48 on: July 07, 2018, 09:48:52 AM »
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  • If a person has serious reason to believe they're not actually married to the person they're living with, I don't think doing nothing is an option. They need to either ask the Church to regularize their situation or seek the declaration of annulment.
    With so much chaos in the Church, a woman can ask 10 different priest/bishops and get 10 different answers.
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    Rome rubber stamps all annulment requests. 
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    I don't think either if those are good options.
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    Some women in these circumstances choose to stay.  Some women choose to leave.  It is whatever God calls them to do and we can't fault either choice.  God knows her heart.
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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #49 on: July 07, 2018, 04:37:17 PM »
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    and not let your point get lost by harshness.
    Sometimes the truth hurts.  Christ said he came not to bring peace but the sword. (Matt 10:34)


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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #50 on: July 07, 2018, 04:38:54 PM »
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  • Intellectual debates are hindered from their purpose, which is to search for truth, by feelings and personal sentimentality.  
    I was on another Catholic forum called Archbishop Lefebvre Forum some years back and was set back on my heels at the reaction to a couple of threads of mine about female hair length and a proposition that Archbishop Lefebvre Forums have two separate forums for men and for women. I posted to see if I could ferret out any feminism on the board, thinking maybe one or two people might put me in their crosshairs. Almost the entire forum turned on me, with a fake seer who went by the handle DawnMarie (who actually knows Bishop Williamson) and her coterie leading the charge. It was especially strange because I thought most of the people on that forum were less infected with feminism than myself. And this was a forum where I was on good terms with at least half the members, the admin and (at the time) the two ineffectual mods Mithrandylan and TMW89. The men on that forum were afraid of the women on that forum. It was a pathetic display.

    I didn't read any of the threads Croix started about feminism, but he couldn't have helped himself by using that black preacher to back up the points he was making. He was giving people who are infected with feminism a get out of jail free card.
    I don't know for sure if the nature of a coed forum makes for a breeding ground for feminism, but it's possible. Since feminism is Marxism applied to gender, traditional Catholics also have a problem of being Judaized.

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #51 on: July 08, 2018, 01:21:12 AM »
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  • With so much chaos in the Church, a woman can ask 10 different priest/bishops and get 10 different answers.
    When I've seen this scenario, it has more to do with an unhappy marriage and a spouse trying to find a way out. He/she usually doesn't really have concerns that the marriage is invalid, but rather is wishing that it was! (Or, even more likely, they left / were left a long time ago and have now found a new person they'd like to marry.)

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    Some women in these circumstances choose to stay.  Some women choose to leave.  It is whatever God calls them to do and we can't fault either choice.  God knows her heart.
    Can you elaborate with an example? I can't think right now of a marriage impediment that a spouse thinks might exist that couldn't be resolved to ensure that you are indeed married. If you really think that your marriage might be invalid and decide not to pursue a declaration of nullity, wouldn't it make sense to resolve the doubt by instead re-affirming your marriage vows?
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    This raises another question for me. Say, for example, you think your marriage lacked true consent because it has become apparent that your spouse never intended to have children. Wouldn't it be sinful to ignore the situation and go on living like a married couple when your marriage was likely invalid?
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #52 on: July 08, 2018, 07:13:49 AM »
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  • When I've seen this scenario, it has more to do with an unhappy marriage and a spouse trying to find a way out. He/she usually doesn't really have concerns that the marriage is invalid, but rather is wishing that it was! (Or, even more likely, they left / were left a long time ago and have now found a new person they'd like to marry.)
    Can you elaborate with an example? I can't think right now of a marriage impediment that a spouse thinks might exist that couldn't be resolved to ensure that you are indeed married. If you really think that your marriage might be invalid and decide not to pursue a declaration of nullity, wouldn't it make sense to resolve the doubt by instead re-affirming your marriage vows?
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    This raises another question for me. Say, for example, you think your marriage lacked true consent because it has become apparent that your spouse never intended to have children. Wouldn't it be sinful to ignore the situation and go on living like a married couple when your marriage was likely invalid?
    I would think so, if you have doubts about the sacrament received, it’s sinful to ignore. same applies to Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, hence why they are given conditionally. Marriage is a state, and to act like you’re married when you’re not would be a sin. Better safe than sorry 


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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #53 on: July 08, 2018, 10:21:13 AM »
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  • Intellectual debates are hindered from their purpose, which is to search for truth, by feelings and personal sentimentality.  

    Yeah, except that many of your posts just drip with feelings and sentimentality ...

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #54 on: July 08, 2018, 10:23:32 AM »
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  • Almost the entire forum turned on me, with a fake seer who went by the handle DawnMarie (who actually knows Bishop Williamson) and her coterie leading the charge. 

    Ah, so DawnMarie is still floating around?   :facepalm:  Has she had any more visions/revelations?

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #55 on: July 08, 2018, 10:32:24 AM »
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  • Here’s where it gets complicated.
    Most friends and family in my circle have found their spouses outside of their chapels and Sunday Mass.
    Many trads seem to be choosing who they like and then bringing them to Church to see if they’ll eventually convert, and if they do then they’ll marry them. 

    I know.  I've called this out once before.  I know a couple extended family who pulled the old "conversion" marriage.  Both had their wives leave and divorce them.  If I were a priest, I wouldn't do these at all.  If the prospective spouse converts after marriage, that's fine.  Very few such pre-marriage conversions are real and sincere.  As soon as things get tough, they magically revert to their pre-Catholic mindset regarding divorce and remarriage.  I knew someone else who was dating a woman who "converted" (before they were to be married).  They had a little spat, and she magically stopped going to Mass. People who "convert" easily typically do so because they don't really care or don't "see the difference" between one group or another.  It's more of a social choice to them.  I think there's more hope, to be honest, in someone who refuses to convert based on their convictions.  In that case, if they DO eventually convert, it'll more likely be for reasons of conviction.   People really need to stop dating non-Catholics because they find them attractive or enjoy their personalities ... the old hormone-driven dating.  Those considerations rarely suffice to make a marriage last, because every marriage has tough times.


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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #56 on: July 08, 2018, 02:50:32 PM »
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  • I know.  I've called this out once before.  I know a couple extended family who pulled the old "conversion" marriage.  Both had their wives leave and divorce them.  If I were a priest, I wouldn't do these at all.  If the prospective spouse converts after marriage, that's fine.  Very few such pre-marriage conversions are real and sincere. 
    I became Catholic while engaged to my husband-to-be.  My conversion was real and sincere, although, due to the horrendous Novus Ordo instruction I received, I was incredibly ignorant about the Faith.  For example, I thought that private Confession had been replaced by group Reconciliation services and did not even know how to go to Confession.  I thought that the Rosary was from back before people were literate and someone like me had no reason to pray it.  I thought that birth control was up to the conscience of the couple. Etc.

    So, to a large extent, I did not even know what I was converting to.  About the only doctrine I understood correctly was that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Our Lord.  I knew this because I had learned about it in a high school history class, not because I was taught it at the Novus Ordo.

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #57 on: July 08, 2018, 03:04:57 PM »
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  • I don't know for sure if the nature of a coed forum makes for a breeding ground for feminism, but it's possible. 
    I think that the feminism among trads is even worse in all female settings.  When there are men around to give guidance and correction, the less infected women may respond to that.  Without any men, it is less likely there will be anything to hold the feminism in check.

    I can see the value of having a place for all male discussions, but I have misgivings about having an all female forum.  It works the way it is done here on the CI women's subforum.  While normally the women talk among ourselves, there is a male moderator able to intervene if necessary.

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #58 on: July 08, 2018, 06:40:28 PM »
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  • I became Catholic while engaged to my husband-to-be.  My conversion was real and sincere, although, due to the horrendous Novus Ordo instruction I received, I was incredibly ignorant about the Faith.  For example, I thought that private Confession had been replaced by group Reconciliation services and did not even know how to go to Confession.  I thought that the Rosary was from back before people were literate and someone like me had no reason to pray it.  I thought that birth control was up to the conscience of the couple. Etc.

    So, to a large extent, I did not even know what I was converting to.  About the only doctrine I understood correctly was that the Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of Our Lord.  I knew this because I had learned about it in a high school history class, not because I was taught it at the Novus Ordo.
    You were taught those things in RCIA?
    What decade, 80's?
    Scary!

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    Re: Croix de Fer has been banned
    « Reply #59 on: July 08, 2018, 06:52:20 PM »
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  • You were taught those things in RCIA?
    What decade, 80's?
    Scary!
    Good call.  Yes it was RCIA and it was 1980.  The "new springtime of the Church."   ::) 

    It's practically a miracle that I ever found out what Catholicism really is.

     

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