Author Topic: ANCIENT FLOOD STORIES PREDATING BIBLE VERSION (Read 8509 times)

CM · « **on:** November 08, 2009, 04:14:47 AM »

Let me guess... the Catholic Church has been wrong all this time, the world was not created, man never had original sin and Jesus Christ is irrelevant. Is that about the size of it?
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Any other enjoyable atheist websites you'd like to post for us to drool over?

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Jehanne · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2009, 07:03:10 AM »

The Talk Origins website is devoted to defending Darwinian evolution (a scientific theory that I accept with respect to the biological origins of life), and to an extent, the promotion of atheistic materialism (which I reject as being philosophically absurd.) As for the story of Noah and the worldwide flood, I consider that to be in the same genre as the story of Adam & Eve. According to all the archaeologically and genetic evidence, there was never a flood that completely covered the Earth here in the last 10 million years and that destroyed all the life on the earth. Within Catholicism, this has always been known to be the case, as clearly, the life in the ocean (fish, mammals, etc.) would survive such a calamity, if it had occurred, and this has always been understood. We can accept the story as being an Old Testament parable and not as literal history, as the Church has never defined it as such.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:13:13 AM »

When I saw the subject of this thread, how did I know it was more 'fascinating' bullsh*t from Uriel?

If I were next to you, and had a skillet...

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:26:40 AM »

Uriel, you are nearly an atheist or at best a deist.
When one is so much scandalized at what liberal priests do, then satan is successful, because it is exactly what he wants.
he has no other aim, he can make use of your love and zeal for your faith in order to make you abandon it.
first- you love the church so much that you can't tolarate any heretic
then- you love your faith so much that you can't tolarate a church who tolarates heretic.
then-you avoid the church if there is any heretic in it.
then-you end in hating the church, because of it's bad members.
at the final stage-you stop loving Jesus because He institued that Church.
a similar story:
you love Jesus so you hate His murderers.
you love the church so you hate her enemies.
But all above means, hating Jєωs
So... you end in hating Jesus Himself becaue He was from such a race.

Jehanne · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:53:12 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

When I saw the subject of this thread, how did I know it was more 'fascinating' bullsh*t from Uriel?

If I were next to you, and had a skillet...

The Flood Story does predate the Biblical version, because it happened before the Pentateuch was written. Something definitively happened in that part of the World within the last 10,000 years. It just was not worldwide. Again, the author of the story knew that he was telling a parable and never intended to record verbatim history, even if such a story ultimately had its origins in a real event.

TheD · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2009, 09:12:37 AM »

Quote from: spouse of Jesus

Uriel, you are nearly an atheist or at best a deist.
When one is so much scandalized at what liberal priests do, then satan is successful, because it is exactly what he wants.
he has no other aim, he can make use of your love and zeal for your faith in order to make you abandon it.
first- you love the church so much that you can't tolarate any heretic
then- you love your faith so much that you can't tolarate a church who tolarates heretic.
then-you avoid the church if there is any heretic in it.
then-you end in hating the church, because of it's bad members.
at the final stage-you stop loving Jesus because He institued that Church.
a similar story:
you love Jesus so you hate His murderers.
you love the church so you hate her enemies.
But all above means, hating Jєωs
So... you end in hating Jesus Himself becaue He was from such a race.

Excellent post Spouse. We are all in danger of loosing the faith. In fact I think one becomes more sinful after they have lost the faith they just came too. Ie: hating Christ and his Church.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2009, 06:21:17 PM »

The Great Deluge is a historical fact. The reason other cultures have stories about it is because they retained an ancestral memory of it through their own forebears; not having God's revealed truth, as did the Jєωs, they didn't understand it's significance.

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When I stopped my rebellious questioning of the Bible's truths I allowed the Holy Ghost to enter my mind and give me true wisdom. One day I realized that the Bible was literally true; very soon after that, many many things began to fall into place and real Truth and Wisdom replaced the constant cycle of doubts and disbeliefs that I had struggled with before. Now I realize why God allowed me to stray from the Faith for many years: It was so that I could return to Her with a fresh perspective and an open mind to Her Teachings.

roscoe · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:04:17 PM »

God's Revealed truth was given to Hebrews originally-- not Judaics, who didn't exist yet. SJT says he takes the Bible literally and yet he squeals all hell when Genesis 9:3 is encountered.

Because other cultures have a flood story( and yes it was WORLD WIDE) is only corraboration and collaboration of the Bible version of events. Why am I not surprised that some do not take the Bible literally-- or say they do but don't.

CM · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:11:59 PM »

Quote from: Jehanne

Again, the author of the story knew that he was telling a parable and never intended to record verbatim history, even if such a story ultimately had its origins in a real event.

And which of the Church Fathers told you this? Do you know what Jesus said?

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For if you did believe Moses, you would perhaps believe me also; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?

CM · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:13:10 PM »

Is the resurrection of Christ a parable? What about Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt? Transubstantiation?

Evlutionism. HERESY!

Jehanne · « **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:23:09 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Quote from: Jehanne
Again, the author of the story knew that he was telling a parable and never intended to record verbatim history, even if such a story ultimately had its origins in a real event.

And which of the Church Fathers told you this? Do you know what Jesus said?

Saint Augustine.

Jehanne · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:24:02 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

Is the resurrection of Christ a parable? What about Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt? Transubstantiation?

Evlutionism. HERESY!

So, when Jesus said, "I am the vine..." he was saying that he was a plant?

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:24:48 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

God's Revealed truth was given to Hebrews originally-- not Judaics, who didn't exist yet. SJT says he takes the Bible literally and yet he squeals all hell when Genesis 9:3 is encountered.

Because other cultures have a flood story( and yes it was WORLD WIDE) is only corraboration and collaboration of the Bible version of events. Why am I not surprised that some do not take the Bible literally-- or say they do but don't.

Ha Ha Ha! I knew you would come on with this! You're too predictable, roscoe!

The fact is that we read the Bible literally but we do not interpret its meaning. The Holy Church does that for us. And nowhere has Mother Church defined Genesis 9:3 or any verse as excusing the use of narcotics and hallucinogenics for recreational use.

roscoe · « **Reply #13 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:46:16 PM »

Because of Modernist interpretations of the Bible like the one Jehanne has offered, St Pius X appointed Card Mariano Rampolla as Chmn of the Pontifical Commission of Biblical Studies-- the flood was world-wide.

Mary Juanita is not a hallucinogen or narcotic. It is a green herb specifically blessed by God. There is no interpretation of the Bible to be found anywhere in the annals of the Church that forbids smoking MJ.

In SJT's Jansenist world, we apparently need God's permission b4 we can do anything.

There are many thousands of things that Popes, INQ, Bishops in there Pastoral letters or varoious Councils have forbidden. If a moderate use of MJ was nefarious, ther would be a warning from the Church in some way at some point in the last 2k yrs. . Ex-- two Pope have found it appropriate to ex- communicate users of tobacco.

You can bet that SJT has never gotten high( closer to Heaven).

Btw-- one has to smoke MJ about 10 timed b4 actually getting high-- that is the way it was for me.

St Jude Thaddeus · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2009, 08:56:49 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Because of Modernist interpretations of the Bible like the one Jehanne has offered, St Pius X appointed Card Mariano Rampolla as Chmn of the Pontifical Commission of Biblical Studies-- the flood was world-wide.

Cardinal Rampolla! Now where have I heard his name before?

Quote from: roscoe

You can bet that SJT has never gotten high( closer to Heaven).

This is beautiful! Now playing at theaters near you: Cheech and Chong in Pot with the Pope. I love it.