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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: An Observation
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2017, 01:29:21 PM »
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    • Don't forget the Mass Rocks 
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #31 on: October 30, 2017, 04:22:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 30, 2017, 01:29:21 PM
    Don't forget the Mass Rocks
    You're quite correct VCR. When one thinks of the privations our forebears had to endure to maintain the practice of the Faith, it is clear that we have it easy.
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #32 on: October 30, 2017, 06:46:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on October 30, 2017, 04:22:33 PM
    You're quite correct VCR. When one thinks of the privations our forebears had to endure to maintain the practice of the Faith, it is clear that we have it easy.
    ... if we "have it" at all.

    I'll take mass rocks over what we "have" today, every day of the week twice Sundays.
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #33 on: October 31, 2017, 06:01:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on October 30, 2017, 04:22:33 PM
    You're quite correct VCR. When one thinks of the privations our forebears had to endure to maintain the practice of the Faith, it is clear that we have it easy.

    But we don't have it easy Irish. In those days of the Mass rocks Catholicism was Catholic, the Mass was the true Mass. Today we have choices to make that could damn us thinking they are right.

    We were reared in the teaching that the Pope is Peter and we must follow him or be damned. Today if we follow the last popes since Vatican II we could also be damned. If one had not the faith one could conclude Catholicism is now such a contradiction that it cannot be divine. How could a God command you to be obedient to a Church that now resembles Protestantism?

    You are aware of what happened at Knock recently, when a group of Catholics tried to have the Mass of the Rock there (Latin Mass). They were thrown out of the shrine and had to say their Mass in a restaurant car-park. Meanwhile the same priest who now runs the place has no problems having services there that Protestants, Muslims and others are happy with. Other scandals like allowing sports commentators to give homilies there that had nothing to do with the faith.

    I know what you meant Irish, at least , for now, we need not fear death or imprisonment when we attend our Tridentine Masses, and in that case we do have it easy, but our choice as to what to do as a Catholic in the present circuмstances with our Rome more like the 'seat of the anti-christ' as Out Lady of La Salette prophesied, is far from easy. What Our Lady did not tell us was what should we do when that Rome became the ''the seat of the anti-christ.'
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #34 on: October 31, 2017, 06:08:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on October 31, 2017, 06:01:42 AM
    But we don't have it easy Irish. In those days of the Mass rocks Catholicism was Catholic, the Mass was the true Mass. Today we have choices to make that could damn us thinking they are right.

    We were reared in the teaching that the Pope is Peter and we must follow him or be damned. Today if we follow the last popes since Vatican II we could also be damned. If one had not the faith one could conclude Catholicism is now such a contradiction that it cannot be divine. How could a God command you to be obedient to a Church that now resembles Protestantism?

    You are aware of what happened at Knock recently, when a group of Catholics tried to have the Mass of the Rock there (Latin Mass). They were thrown out of the shrine and had to say their Mass in a restaurant car-park. Meanwhile the same priest who now runs the place has no problems having services there that Protestants, Muslims and others are happy with. Other scandals like allowing sports commentators to give homilies there that had nothing to do with the faith.

    I know what you meant Irish, at least , for now, we need not fear death or imprisonment when we attend our Tridentine Masses, and in that case we do have it easy, but our choice as to what to do as a Catholic in the present circuмstances with our Rome more like the 'seat of the anti-christ' as Out Lady of La Salette prophesied, is far from easy. What Our Lady did not tell us was what should we do when that Rome became the ''the seat of the anti-christ.'
    Differences aside, thanks for the reminder that even if I'm crazy, I'm not that crazy nor am I alone in this filthy sanitarium.

    I would happily trade the rest of my days for a Catholic priest, to attend one mass in my life, one confession, have the rites, and die, and know that I've had them.

    Catholics don't have it easy at all, at least not the ones who don't take their consolations whether due them or not.

    The Adversary must find it some kind of satisfying to seize so many souls at the bargain price of pealing bells and the scent of incense.
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #35 on: October 31, 2017, 08:49:31 AM »
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    • "I cannot promise you happiness in this life; only in the next," said Our Lady to the little girl named Bernadette.

    Matthew 26:38 "My soul is sorrowful even unto death."
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #36 on: October 31, 2017, 11:44:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on October 31, 2017, 08:49:31 AM
    "I cannot promise you happiness in this life; only in the next," said Our Lady to the little girl named Bernadette.

    Matthew 26:38 "My soul is sorrowful even unto death."
    ... which tells the heedful that "happiness" is particularly perilous and, conversely, that safety may be found in sorrow.

    This is usually where someone chimes in with vague platitudes about joy, or otherwise falsely parses the true, making it false and at odds to such thereby.
    Apt regardless klas
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #37 on: October 31, 2017, 12:20:54 PM »
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    • Ecclesiates 7:3 "Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better."

    Psalm 126:5 "They that sow in tears shall reap in joy."
          
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #38 on: October 31, 2017, 12:25:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on October 31, 2017, 06:01:42 AM
    You are aware of what happened at Knock recently, when a group of Catholics tried to have the Mass of the Rock there (Latin Mass). They were thrown out of the shrine and had to say their Mass in a restaurant car-park. Meanwhile the same priest who now runs the place has no problems having services there that Protestants, Muslims and others are happy with. Other scandals like allowing sports commentators to give homilies there that had nothing to do with the faith.
    No cassini, I wasn't aware of that and I don't know how I missed it. 
    When I said we have it easy, I was comparing now with penal times. Also, I am watching the BBC drama about the gunpowder plot, which some people are complaining about because they say it is to graphic. For graphic I say realistic, and I thank God that our forbears were made of such stuff that they adhered to the true faith despite the risks. I am so glad that I don't have to face such a test of my faith, because I fear that I might not pass it, coward that I am.
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #39 on: November 01, 2017, 12:38:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on October 31, 2017, 12:25:18 PM
    No cassini, I wasn't aware of that and I don't know how I missed it.
    When I said we have it easy, I was comparing now with penal times. Also, I am watching the BBC drama about the gunpowder plot, which some people are complaining about because they say it is to graphic. For graphic I say realistic, and I thank God that our forbears were made of such stuff that they adhered to the true faith despite the risks. I am so glad that I don't have to face such a test of my faith, because I fear that I might not pass it, coward that I am.

    And that is why St Thomas Moore is one of my saint heroes. His story, on film and on different series was a lesson. He did not want to be martyred and did everything to avoid it. He said God would wish it so. But when all was exhausted and it came to it, he could not reject his faith. It was then he was martyred.

    There is not doubt the real test of our love for God would come if we were put in such a position. Thank God, so far, our tests are far less heroic. Nevertheless, taking a Catholic stance in the company of friends and acquaintances who have not only lost the faith but have become anti-Catholic is getting harder and harder.

    To end this post on a lighter note Irish, have you heard the joke of the Irishman in the north during the troubles. Well in those days one could be stopped by a group of gunmen looking for the 'enemy,' Catholics to the Protestants, and Protestants to the 'Catholic' IRA. They could shoot you if you gave the 'wrong' answer. Our friend while driving along a back road was stopped by such a group of terrorists. 'Are you a Catholic' they asked. Knowing what was in store if he said yes, her chanced a 'No,' 'On ye go then,' said the armed man. Ten minutes later he was stopped by another group, 'Are ye a Protestant,' they asked. 'No way,' he said and again gave the right answer. 'Good man, on yer way.' He was nearly at his destination when he was stopped again. 'Are you a Catholic or a Protestant,' he was asked. 'Oh God' he said to himself 'how do I get out of this one. What if I give the wrong answer?'
       'Neither,' he said, 'I am a Jєω.' 'Get out of the car then, ' said the masked men, 'this is your unlucky day, were ISIS.'
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #40 on: November 01, 2017, 04:22:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on October 27, 2017, 09:48:22 PM
    Some folks are thin skinned and let the "thumbs down" bother them.






    Not me, I got 400+ of 'em.
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #41 on: November 01, 2017, 04:24:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Irish_Catholic on October 27, 2017, 02:26:11 PM
    Ok, so I have been here for a little while. During that time I have read a lot, and posted occasionally. I have noticed a tendency by certain posters to lift other's comments, twist them and re-post out of context. Yet when these same people are asked simple and direct questions, they don't respond and are nowhere to be seen.

    I had hoped to find a place where mature adult conversations about faith, morals and the difficulties of living as a Catholic in the modern world could flourish. But instead it seems that most just want to point out what they see as other's errors, and they love nothing more than to condemn their fellow-posters to hell.

    All the name-calling and one-upmanship is wearying in the extreme, and I am giving serious consideration to finding a more enlightening, mature and Christian place in which to spend my time.
    So you're going to flounce?
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    At least that's what they call it on the interwebz.
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    Re: An Observation
    « Reply #42 on: November 02, 2017, 12:21:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradplorable on November 01, 2017, 04:24:35 PM
    So you're going to flounce?
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    At least keep up with the Story and read the later posts Trad,
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