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Offline gladius_veritatis

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« on: September 05, 2011, 02:47:38 PM »
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  • To Myrna, Emerentiana, and SedeMelFan:

    I am sorry for being too hard on you and for using vulgar language much too freely.  I offer no excuse and ask your forgiveness and prayers.  Although we may see certain things differently, I still love you and wish each of you and yours the very best, now and always.

    To Matthew, Mater, and the board as a whole:

    I am sorry for my behavior on late-Saturday night/early-Sunday morning.  I was out of line.  I offer no excuse.  We are here to HELP each other, not HINDER each other.  These times are hard enough already...  Please forgive my far-from-exemplary behavior.
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    « Reply #1 on: September 05, 2011, 04:06:20 PM »
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  • FWIW, upon reviewing some of my posts for the first time since I made them, I am stunned and rather disgusted with myself.  I cannot tell you how sorry I am, Myrna and Emerentiana.  My words and overall tone were completely uncalled for.  Godspeed to you, dear ladies.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 05, 2011, 04:22:44 PM »
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  • What a knucklehead.  Been there done that, but shape up or ship out.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 05, 2011, 04:24:01 PM »
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  • I don't know what to say. I will pray for all of us that God give us the grace to keep staving off the devil's advances and further tearing us apart from the Faith and from eachother.

    I think you're a genius, GV, and I really look up to you. It was shocking hearing all that stuff from you, and I'm no wuss. I am glad to see you back though, and we all figured it was booze-related. I hate the stuff, personally. I've noticed as much as I want to moderate it, most the time (7 out of 8) it will always lead me to sin in some capacity.

    God bless you, Gladius, and may the peace of Christ be with you.

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    An apology...
    « Reply #4 on: September 05, 2011, 04:46:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    I know what the problem with G_V is, and everyone else should be able to see it, too.

     :alcohol:

    I feel he'll probably be back to apologize pretty soon. Don't be too hard on him.


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    « Reply #5 on: September 05, 2011, 07:18:18 PM »
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    To Myrna, Emerentiana, and SedeMelFan:

    I am sorry for being too hard on you and for using vulgar language much too freely.  I offer no excuse and ask your forgiveness and prayers.  Although we may see certain things differently, I still love you and wish each of you and yours the very best, now and always.

    To Matthew, Mater, and the board as a whole:

    I am sorry for my behavior on late-Saturday night/early-Sunday morning.  I was out of line.  I offer no excuse.  We are here to HELP each other, not HINDER each other.  These times are hard enough already...  Please forgive my far-from-exemplary behavior.


    Gladius, Thank you for your apology.
    This is a really nice post. A moving post.
    Please pray for all of us.
    God Bless you Gladius.

    Good Catholics, PRAY FOR MEL GIBSON.

    Offline Raoul76

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    « Reply #6 on: September 05, 2011, 09:19:36 PM »
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  • This apology was both refreshing yet left me feeling hollow.  Here is why:

    GV, you won't like hearing it, but you know with me you are always going to get straight-shooting.  You have to apologize to Bishop Dolan and Father Cekada too and then you will have relief.  I'm not saying what they did was right, but your fighting-fire-with-fire approach is not right either.  Believe me, God does not approve of the tone and words with which you sometimes speak of bishops and priests, even if they are imperfect ones.  Keep that up and you are risking having much of your grace withdrawn.

    I know you like hearing from your cheerleaders rather than those who deliver the stinging truth, but there it is.  If you really were inebriated, even then, there is clearly something bothering you, and my uneducated guess is that it's your conscience.  Not everyone becomes like Medusa when they have too much to drink.  What was fascinating about that outburst was that there is such a fine line between your "normal" self and how you were that night; that shows you that you are on the razor's edge already.

    You are consumed, obsessed with the SGG clergy.  It isn't right to sit around waiting for the downfall of people.  That is hate, rage, and though you will say "Oh, I pray for them," it is as phony as a three-dollar bill.  You want revenge.  It's so obvious it's painful, and only your cheerleaders like SJB, who is an extremely bad influence on you by the way -- you are extremely prone to flattery, something I have noticed for well over a year -- would deny it.  There are constant cryptic comments about how they are going to be routed and defeated and run out of town with their tails between their legs, etc.  I don't see the outburst of the other night as anything unusual, but more as a natural development of where you're heading if you keep up this circus.

    What I found interesting, and what other people seem to almost be afraid to say out loud though it is so screamingly apparent, is how you ignored Tele's similar battle at his own church, similar treatment at his own church, even getting into a war with him when he went a little loopy... Yet you are in the same frame of mind, and probably these days more stuck in it than he is.  The Bishop Pivarunas thread is just so over the top.

     I have to say something here because my conscience is nagging at me just for what people might perceive as implicit support.  I don't agree with Matthew letting you hammer away on clergy like you do, though he did the right thing taking down the Ode.  But then I know he considers this site to be a free field and doesn't necessarily consider himself responsible for what people say on it.
    The balance between democracy and monarchy is hard if not impossible to attain.

    I also feel this is the right time to say it; because you have already shown humility and so it shouldn't be hard to go a little further.  Whatever you believe my motives are, they are only concern for you.  I know where you're coming from and why you're enraged; I would be too, and can't say I'd have handled it any better.   But I also know that, however you rationalize it to yourself, you are giving into a long-simmering rage, and that ain't good.

    Maybe you think the reason for my "intervention" is that I'm jealous fo your premium poster status. But in fact, if you do what I say, you will go even further ahead of me in points.  Mark my words.  And not only because I'm letting you win by not posting as often  :wink:  Good Catholics are or should always be impressed by humility; not that that should be your motive in being humble.

    P.S. Sedevacantist Mel Fan is a troll.


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    « Reply #7 on: September 05, 2011, 09:36:03 PM »
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  • A footnote:  The web the devil is laying for you, GV, is all too clear.  Your whole identity, your status among a certain group of people, is becoming based on your "heroic fighter for justice" persona.  Luckily that is not the case on this site, where your posts on other topics are more appreciated -- as they should be -- but it seems to me as if you're enmeshed with the Vipers of Vaudeville website and whatever others are out there.  You are the central figure of the anti-SGG contras.  

    This is how people dig themselves a hole; one day they give into their emotions and go too far, then the devil convinces them whatever hobbyhorse they are riding is now part of their identity, and then they are afraid of backing out, due to pride.  It becomes even worse if they have "followers."  Then they are afraid of letting the team down.  You clearly imagine yourself as having some divine mission to rout the SGG clergy; which is already playing God, and not good.  Suddenly we have all these other people who are just as obsessive in attacking Father Cekada and Bishop Dolan, and there is never any proof of anything, just a lot of innuendo and gossip.  This has gone way too far; and now you are giving the same treatment to Bishop Pivarunas, if you need any more proof of how you are losing control.  You have little to no respect left for the office of bishop.

    If you want an example of what I'm talking about when I talk about people being trapped, look at the Dimonds.  Imagine what would happen to their whole cottage industry if they came out one day and said they now believe in BoD.  It would take away their whole reason for being almost; though it would be more than beneficial for their souls.  This is how people get "in too deep."  They have a weak moment, they go too far, and then the devil traps them there through flattery; and they go gradually insane.  Words to the wise.  
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    « Reply #8 on: September 05, 2011, 11:27:48 PM »
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    You have to apologize to Bishop Dolan and Father Cekada too and then you will have relief. I'm not saying what they did was right, but your fighting-fire-with-fire approach is not right either.


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    Suddenly we have all these other people who are just as obsessive in attacking Father Cekada and Bishop Dolan, and there is never any proof of anything, just a lot of innuendo and gossip.

    Raoul76,

    I can't begin to tell you how out of touch you are in these statements. What did they do that "wasn't right?" How do you come to that conclusion based on only "innuendo and gossip?"
    There was plenty of evidence presented here as to very explict wrongdoing. I did not give them their reputations, they earned them. Their reputations are bad because a vast number of people know they are bad men and for varied reasons. That is their reputation. I know there is this romantic idea held by some of confronting them "face to face," but this is a fantasy. Fr. Cekada proved that to me several times, the last being his lying public letter as a response to my private emails. Maybe the extent of their evil has simply never been experienced before, and some are incredulous, saying it simply can't be; but it is.

    As far as my "bad influence" on Gladius, I'm sure you misunderstand any influence we might have on one another.  I believe you are so removed from this situation, that you simply do not understand it's proportions. These men damage and sometimes destroy the faith of young traditional Catholics. That is a very grave situation that cannot be brushed aside.

    Bp. Pivarunas is a different story altogether, and I don't believe anyone thinks badly of him as a man. I don't and I don't know anybody who does.

    I can remember you Raoul76, railing against me on the issues of implicit faith and NFP, and now look at your signature line.

    FWIW, I don't approve of GV's behavior the other evening, but expected he would apologize rather quickly and he did. I was criticized for not fraternally correcting him, but I understood it was not necessary nor desired. It seemed to me that others were using his inappropriate behavior to make a point about something unrelated to his behavior. A few years ago, I did a lot of research on fraternal correction because I had a relative that seems to be quite wrongheaded in her not too infrequent fraternal corrections. They either backfired or were unnecessary. She seemed to have it wrong but I couldn't explain why. The duty is grave, yet it is many times not required and actually damaging. I suppose one could argue, as an out, that Bp. Pivarunas (and other trad clerics) can only offer a fraternal correction, but then they need to accept that he (they) has no authority to do antything else. I believe they do have a duty, to protect the common good, as the self-correction rarely comes from evil men.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 07:38:40 AM »
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    ...Whatever you believe my motives are, they are only concern for you...Maybe you think the reason for my "intervention" is that I'm jealous of your premium poster status.


    I know your motives are sincere and I consider you a friend, Mike.  Thank you for honestly sharing your thoughts.  While I do not agree with you 100%, I shall seriously consider your words as the months roll forward.

    I shall be retiring, as I must address my own disorders and cannot be distracted by other matters.  Traddieland's grave disorders are much bigger than I and if people don't want to see or address them, that is their decision.  The Purification has begun in earnest and it will provide each of us an opportunity to clean both our individual and our collective houses.  I pray that each and every one of us accepts the great gifts of this time, profiting in exactly the way and to the degree God desires for us.  Godspeed :)
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    An apology...
    « Reply #10 on: September 06, 2011, 12:05:59 PM »
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    I know what the problem with G_V is, and everyone else should be able to see it, too.

     :alcohol:

    I feel he'll probably be back to apologize pretty soon. Don't be too hard on him.


    :) Don't worry. It's all good.


    GV didn't insult you, his follower, all is not well!

    I truly want to accept his apology, God knows that I do, I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.  A doubt I have that he is not sincere.

    Why do I say that?  True or false? Asking in good faith; it is said that when a man or women speak while they are drunk, they are speaking the truth as they feel. When they are sober, however they have control over what they say, and hold back sometime for the sake of polite society.  So I ask is that true of false statement. I have never been drunk so I don't know.  My dad would get drunk so bad he couldn't stand up, but when he drank, he was a happy drunk. He would laugh and play with us, lift us up, dance with us and loved everyone. When sober he was happy too, but would hold back on all the playful actions.  Because of this behaviour of his, as a child I never suffered any ill effects from his drinking.  I thank God, he died fortified with the treasures of the Church.

    I will hold back on accepting GV's apology, till I see how he acts on the advice of Raoul.  By his actions there I will know he is sincere and will gladly accept his apology against my person.  

    I will take this time to also apologize for anything I have ever posted here, to harm someone reputation, or more importantly judging rashly, which is a sin I have often Confessed in the confessional.  I do not apologize for my defense of Bisop Pivarunas on the "Bishop Pivarunas none blunder" thread.  
    I also apologize for the thumbs down I gave GV on this thread, I shouldn't have done that since as I stated above, he may be sincere.

    I know that Bishop Pivarunas makes mistakes, and I personally have not agreed with certain actions of many of the CMRI religious.  However I will say that all my hurt feeling done to myself and my family by CMRI religious were never, EVER anything due to an article of faith, or dogma.  

    I remember well the Church prior to Vatican II, (yes, I am an elderly) however, with Gods grace someday all of you will be elderly.  You youngsters should listen well to the elderly, what you only read in books, we elderly have witnessed about the Church prior to Vatican II.  One good nun would tell us, that it is not a good thing when the lay people get too close to the religious, because there are always politics and arguments among them.  During that time, there was no Internet, and things that are happening today, happened then, but the lay people did not speak evil of their religious, because much of the debates among them when unnoticed by the lay people.  We today are in a different venue,(venue, not sure if that is the correct word for what I am trying to say) we are too close to our religious, because the religious depend on us for their necessities of life.  There is nothing we can really do about this closeness except to keep our eyes on the Cross and know our redemption is near.

     





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    « Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 01:16:33 PM »
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    I will hold back on accepting GV's apology, till I see how he acts on the advice of Raoul.  By his actions there I will know he is sincere and will gladly accept his apology against my person.


    That is not the way it works.  I apologized TO YOU for insulting YOU.  Other matters upon which we disagree (and likely always will) cannot be added into the deal because you (or Mike or whoever) feel free to act as my conscience.  If I come to think anything needs to be done about the other stuff, so be it.  As of now, I stand by ALL I have said on that score.  As for my apology TO YOU -- which is the one and only subject of this thread -- you are free to accept it or decline it, etc.  I hope you accept it, of course, but I cannot control such things.  Godspeed, my lady.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 01:49:48 PM »
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  • Eamon's sometimes histrionic behavior should be separated from the situation at SGG.  

    The priests at SGG are almost certainly heretics for their unapologetic position on Terri Schiavo (isn't that a most distressing tendency though among trad priests - the tendency to never admit they are wrong and have done wrong!)

    That position has always been the red flag that indicates something is very seriously wrong there.  And sober-minded posters like SJB have corroborated the existence of very serious problems.

    Arrogant, heretical and treacherous priests should not expect to be treated differently than the rest of us.  On the contrary, they are far worse and need to have their feet held to the fire - before they lead traditionalism to ruin.  

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    « Reply #13 on: September 06, 2011, 03:21:19 PM »
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  • Eamon, you win, I forgive you, but I no longer trust you.  I forgive you for the sake of Jesus Christ.
    Ephesians 4:32 "Be kind to one another, and merciful, generously forgiving one another, as also God in Christ has generously forgiven you”.


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    « Reply #14 on: September 06, 2011, 03:30:12 PM »
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    I forgive you for the sake of Jesus Christ.


    I feel certain He will reward you accordingly.
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