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Offline Telesphorus

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An Age impediment for Catholic Marriage?
« on: May 25, 2010, 01:37:12 AM »
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    Only a stricter impediment of age would be an objective remedy.


    http://whyiamacatholic.com/SSPX/Tissier1.htm

    There is no doubt that the delay of marriage today is part of the general trend towards the revolutionary goal of abolishing marriage.

    A woman who wants to "settle down" because her "clock is ticking" after having lived a dissolute life, who does not offer her husband a virginal maidenhood, but instead a desperate and baggage-laden pre-menopausal demand for a child and means of support, is not at all an ideal candidate for marriage.

    An unnatural delay of marriage is clearly against St. Paul's advice.

    It clearly does not help to alleviate concupiscence, which means that the typical man is unable to marry a virginal bride.

    It is also well known that delay of marriage on the part of a woman is very harmful to the primary end of marriage: procreation.

    Many Catholic women who could find a husband when they are  young find themselves increasingly at risk of spinsterhood as they go on in their 20s.

    High School and College Education of women has had disastrous effects on the chastity and fecundity of women.

    It is absolute madness to suggest that Catholics should marry later to conform to these times of "immaturity."

    And yet Bishop Tissier suggests the remedy of an "age impediment."  He has also suggested that the age of majority should have been raised instead of lowered!

    Such a view is madness and is absolutely in concord with feminism, and absolutely in discord with Catholicism.

    In the late 18th Century, when anti-Christian enlightened despotism was making its mark on Spain, there was an attempt by the state to suppress the liberties of young Catholics seeking a spouse:



    As we can see, what Tissier speaks of is exactly what the anti-Christian masonic despots wanted:

    Delay of marriage and parental control of marriage.

    That is not Catholic.


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    An Age impediment for Catholic Marriage?
    « Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 01:58:19 AM »
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  •   I really think that both religious life and marriage should be open to 14 year olds.
      If I can ever have a child, I will let him/her marry as a teenage if there is no other Vocation.

      And yes, increasing the limit age of marriage is a population reduction policy.


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    An Age impediment for Catholic Marriage?
    « Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 02:24:16 AM »
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    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 02:53:51 AM »
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  •   If teenage pregnancy was wrong, God wouldn't allow incarnation to happen when it happened. Our Lady is said to have been 14 at that time. If "her growing body needs nutritions" blah were true, God would never ever take any milk from His holy mother. (note that in those time children would nurse for 3 years).

      These pregnancies are holy according to The Bible, high risk (foolhardy) according to the world. Now you decide whom to believe:
     The Incarnation-Sarah's-St. Elizabeth's and many others.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 05:14:46 AM »
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  • I too think that young ladies are best settled down early in life. It is far better to have a daughter married to a Catholic Gentleman at a young age than to have her running around on the streets half undressed. St. Rita was young and married to an older man. Seems she turned out just fine.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 25, 2010, 07:50:59 AM »
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  • It seems plain that one of the remedies for our natural selfishness is having grave obligations imposed upon us.  When this happens earlier, it tends to work out better in the long run.  Having children is likely THE best medicine for selfish moderns, yet it is the one thing they avoid as long as humanly possible.
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    « Reply #6 on: May 25, 2010, 11:25:07 AM »
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  • My eldest is 11, and every moment that goes by gets more terrifying for me as she approaches her teens.

    I want her to be able to see the convents but we don't have any here.

    This issue is touchy, because I wonder if a discussion could even be opened about this at church...

    Is it better for a girl to get to be 21 and rebel because she was forbidden to do what her evil inclinations would have her do, or is it better for her to seriously contemplate her vocation when she's young, like, starting in five minutes for my daughter?

    What do you think?
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    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2010, 11:47:33 AM »
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  • I am no priest.  I have no children.  I grew up in a modern family.  Much of what I know I know through having made countless serious mistakes.

    A young woman is better off starting out on whichever road is for her as soon as she is able to travel thereupon.  Time in a convent, if she is so inclined and a decent one can be found, cannot possibly harm her or make her less-prepared to be a wife, should that prove to be God's will.  If the girl knows she is to be married, why waste time?  I know a delightful mother of eight in MT who was married at 16.  I know several others who were married well before 20.  All of them are solid, happy ladies.  The reason the Church set the age at 14 is...the average, not the exceptional, but the average girl is perfectly capable of meeting the obligations imposed upon her in the marital state.  All other talk is nonsense.

    Look at those who study, study, study, then go to work in the real world: They learn all kinds of things, some of which are useful and some of which are useless, if not harmful, then they finally learn what they actually need by DOING.  Experience is the best teacher.  Godspeed
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    « Reply #8 on: May 25, 2010, 12:34:23 PM »
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  •   I can't remember where, but I saw an atricle by a priest-monk that said that praying for discerment should beggin as soon as one reaches the age of reason.
      It would be a great idea to know what you are to do with your life, then one can follow it and get prepared for it from teen years.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2010, 02:21:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    My eldest is 11, and every moment that goes by gets more terrifying for me as she approaches her teens.

    I want her to be able to see the convents but we don't have any here.

    This issue is touchy, because I wonder if a discussion could even be opened about this at church...

    Is it better for a girl to get to be 21 and rebel because she was forbidden to do what her evil inclinations would have her do, or is it better for her to seriously contemplate her vocation when she's young, like, starting in five minutes for my daughter?

    What do you think?


    Rebellion is obviously the worst possible outcome.  Here's what St. Thomas says:

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    The maid is in her father's power, not as a female slave without power over her own body, but as a daughter, for the purpose of education. Hence, in so far as she is free, she can give herself into another's power without her father's consent, even as a son or daughter, since they are free, may enter religion without their parent's consent.


    According to civil and canon law, the age a girl is free to marry who she wants is 18.  In history, when parents were not brainwashed by liberalism and feminism, it was understood that a girl who has come of age should receive suitors.  Today, when ideas about "maturity" and "education" and "experience" (which are derived from liberal feminism) dominate, the parents who wish to protect their daughter are torn in motivations.  On the one hand they want their daughter to be Catholic, on the other they cannot stand the thought of their daughter marrying young because of the social stigma, and because of the thought that innocent girls shouldn't marry!  Only "mature" young women with work experience and education!

    The key is to allow suitors before it's too late, with all necessary precautions being taken.  She will be most open to parental guidance under that sort of situation.  However if the point comes that the young girl rebels, and that will inevitably happen (or the girl will become discouraged) under a tyrannical father, then parental guidance, and possibly the Faith too, will be rejected.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 25, 2010, 02:42:07 PM »
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  • It's not pretty to see a young Trad Catholic woman in her 20s anxious to be married.  She becomes forward, she loses that charming shyness.  She wants to be married as soon as she can, and one pities the man who becomes the objective of her campaign.


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    « Reply #11 on: May 25, 2010, 02:45:00 PM »
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    According to civil and canon law, the age a girl is free to marry who she wants is 18.


    Sources?
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    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2010, 02:46:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    According to civil and canon law, the age a girl is free to marry who she wants is 18.


    Sources?


    It's the 1983 Code of Canon Law, so it wouldn't apply to you.  But it does to all Catholics who adhere to Benedict XVI.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 02:48:52 PM »
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  • Copy that.  What do the 1983 code and/or present civil law say, exactly?  Is the girl free to marry earlier if her parents consent, but, if her parents object she must wait until 18?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2010, 02:52:49 PM »
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  • Tis another, loaded topic, but ALL trads (who know their a**es from a hole in the ground) disregard the 1983 Code, in one way or another.  Does ANY trad, for example, think it is acceptable to give the Sacraments to non-Catholics?  Uh, that would be a rather big, fat, and vigorous "NO!", but that is, like it or lump it, what the 1983 Code says.

    Back to the regularly-scheduled programming...
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