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Amoral vs. Immoral
« on: February 01, 2019, 04:40:06 PM »
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  • AAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!  

    We have another "literally taking on its exact opposite meaning" in the making!

    The latest victim to fall pray to mankind's constantly decaying average IQ?

    Amoral
    vs.
    Immoral

    Amoral = morality does not apply
    Immoral = going against moral standards


    It's the difference between committing an evil act, and being asleep so you can't perform any acts.

    Animals are amoral. They are not capable of morality, since they don't have Free Will.
    Killing an innocent person is immoral. It goes against morality.

    Please spread the word and educate your friends. Maybe we can salvage this one!
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    Re: Amoral vs. Immoral
    « Reply #1 on: February 01, 2019, 05:41:30 PM »
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  • AAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUGH!  

    We have another "literally taking on its exact opposite meaning" in the making!

    The latest victim to fall pray to mankind's constantly decaying average IQ?

    Amoral
    vs.
    Immoral

    Amoral = morality does not apply
    Immoral = going against moral standards


    It's the difference between committing an evil act, and being asleep so you can't perform any acts.

    Animals are amoral. They are not capable of morality, since they don't have Free Will.
    Killing an innocent person is immoral. It goes against morality.

    Please spread the word and educate your friends. Maybe we can salvage this one!

    Spoken and written languages change.  Only liturgical languages such as Latin remain the same.

    Not surprising, our teenagers and gang members are the ones largely motivating the changes in our language. As a teacher, it was discouraging witnessing teenagers twitting and messaging during classes, during exams, between classes, and even in the bathrooms where they created long lines.  With these rapid twits and messaging, the English language is deteriorating at a much more rapid pace than ever before.

    Moreover, in the MSM controlled media, anchors are often found repeating the same regurgitated news showing a lack of originality, and they even repeat the same errors as on cue. However, whenever breaking news stories require some journalistic skills, the last minute articles coming out of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, and ABC show a lack of English grammar, composition, and rhetoric. It is dismal.

    MSM journalists do not seem to be concerned at all with plagiarism as in days past. They seem to have no moral qualms about stealing the intellectual property of others, embellishing their stories with fictional accounts, etc.  Yes, our MSM fake news services are very immoral. A dog is more faithful in bringing in the newspaper than our press is in reporting the straight news.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Amoral vs. Immoral
    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2019, 05:49:06 PM »
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  • Most of the "misuses" of this are just a misunderstanding between writer and reader on which perspective is being used. For example, a person who is amoral may perform immoral acts. Often times the writer will be describing a person who committed an immoral act as amoral, meaning that the person does not care about right or wrong(as opposed to an immoral person who wants to do wrong), and the reader will interpret this as the writer calling the act amoral. I saw a case of something like that on this forum a while back, although I can't remember it well enough to repeat the example.

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    Re: Amoral vs. Immoral
    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2019, 08:40:17 PM »
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  • Most of the "misuses" of this are just a misunderstanding between writer and reader on which perspective is being used. For example, a person who is amoral may perform immoral acts. Often times the writer will be describing a person who committed an immoral act as amoral, meaning that the person does not care about right or wrong(as opposed to an immoral person who wants to do wrong), and the reader will interpret this as the writer calling the act amoral. I saw a case of something like that on this forum a while back, although I can't remember it well enough to repeat the example.

    But not caring about sin, right or wrong, etc. doesn't make a person amoral! They still have Free Will, and God is in the right when He judges such a person.

    There are plenty of people who deny Free Will -- they believe that if they knew enough about a person, if science was sufficiently advanced, that we'd be able to predict EVERY minute action ever taken by an individual. Nevertheless, they are wrong. They still have Free Will. Many also deny the existence of God, heaven, and hell -- but that doesn't prevent them from being judged by God and sent to hell!

    God would be unjust (impossible!) if He judged and punished a person who didn't have agency or free will -- for whom morality would be extraneous or a foreign concept.

    All men have Free Will and are therefore creatures subject to morality. We can either be moral or immoral in our behavior. We can't opt for a third choice "I just want to be a radish, without morality" for obvious reasons.

    We can't be amoral any more than we can opt for a "natural" (as opposed to supernatural) afterlife, or annihilation after death like a plant or animal.

    Saying "I don't care" is itself a choice -- a moral choice.
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    Re: Amoral vs. Immoral
    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2019, 06:07:20 AM »
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  • But not caring about sin, right or wrong, etc. doesn't make a person amoral! They still have Free Will, and God is in the right when He judges such a person.

    There are plenty of people who deny Free Will -- they believe that if they knew enough about a person, if science was sufficiently advanced, that we'd be able to predict EVERY minute action ever taken by an individual. Nevertheless, they are wrong. They still have Free Will. Many also deny the existence of God, heaven, and hell -- but that doesn't prevent them from being judged by God and sent to hell!

    God would be unjust (impossible!) if He judged and punished a person who didn't have agency or free will -- for whom morality would be extraneous or a foreign concept.

    All men have Free Will and are therefore creatures subject to morality. We can either be moral or immoral in our behavior. We can't opt for a third choice "I just want to be a radish, without morality" for obvious reasons.

    We can't be amoral any more than we can opt for a "natural" (as opposed to supernatural) afterlife, or annihilation after death like a plant or animal.

    Saying "I don't care" is itself a choice -- a moral choice.
    Being incapable of making choices on morality is only half the definition of amorality. Almost any dictionary you'll find will say it also refers to "indifference towards morality". Immoral people then are people who look to actively do evil, amoral people are people who do evil because they don't care or don't believe in morality. The latter is pretty common today, with atheists declaring that morality is subjective and based purely on societal standards. The act of fornication is immoral, but some atheist who does it doesn't see it as evil, so that person is amoral rather than immoral. 


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    Re: Amoral vs. Immoral
    « Reply #5 on: February 02, 2019, 09:18:49 AM »
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  • I've only seen the term 'amoral' misused very recently, which is why I wrote this point.

    I was wrong about one thing though: the damage has already happened. Yes, it's in the dictionary:

    Definition of amoral

    1a: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong; amoral politicians; an amoral, selfish person
    b: being neither moral nor immoral specifically : lying outside the sphere to which moral judgments apply; Science as such is completely amoral.— W. S. Thompson

    2: being outside or beyond the moral order or a particular code of morals; amoral customs

    But in the same dictionary:


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    Definition of literally

    1: in a literal sense or manner: such as
    a: in a way that uses the ordinary or primary meaning of a term or expression He took the remark literally.a word that can be used both literally and figuratively
    b—used to emphasize the truth and accuracy of a statement or description The party was attended by literally hundreds of people.
    c: with exact equivalence : with the meaning of each individual word given exactly The term "Mardi Gras" literally means "Fat Tuesday" in French.
    d: in a completely accurate way a story that is basically true even if not literally true

    2: in effect : VIRTUALLY —used in an exaggerated way to emphasize a statement or description that is not literally true or possible will literally turn the world upside down to combat cruelty or injustice
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    Re: Amoral vs. Immoral
    « Reply #6 on: February 02, 2019, 03:39:35 PM »
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  • I've only seen the term 'amoral' misused very recently, which is why I wrote this point.

    I was wrong about one thing though: the damage has already happened. Yes, it's in the dictionary:

    Definition of amoral

    1a: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong; amoral politicians; an amoral, selfish person
    b: being neither moral nor immoral specifically : lying outside the sphere to which moral judgments apply; Science as such is completely amoral.— W. S. Thompson

    2: being outside or beyond the moral order or a particular code of morals; amoral customs

    But in the same dictionary:


    Fair point. I wasn't aware 1a was a new definition.