Author Topic: America Needs Fatima/TFP (Read 16361 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #30 on:** May 27, 2014, 08:43:16 AM »

At one point, in Brazil, they started to take on a decidedly anti-clerical attitude, but that's because the Brazilian hierarchy had become so thoroughly infested with Modernism. At some point, TFP was infiltrated by various liberal / modernist forces, and a new spin-off group, the Heralds of the Gospel, took over the TFP and won the right in court to take the TFP's symbols and insignia and trademarks; it's now a thoroughly modernist organization operating with the complete blessing of the Novus Ordo hierarchy.

TFP sister groups in other countries don't have any legal / formal ties to one another.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #31 on:** May 27, 2014, 09:59:27 AM »

Please, tell me, is this cult like? :stare:

Lady Lucilia, pray for us
Mother of Mister Doctor Plinio, pray for us
Mother of the Doctor of the Church, pray for us
Mother of our Father, pray for us
Mother of the Unspeakable, pray for us
Mother of all of us, pray for us
Mother of the coming centuries, pray for us
Mother of the Axiological Principle, pray for us
Mother of the Temperament of Synthesis, pray for us
Mother of all purity, pray for us
Mother of the Trans-sphere, pray for us
Mother of Seriousness, pray for us
Mother of the Counter-Revolution, pray for us
Restorer of Temperaments, pray for us
Source of Light, pray for us
Procreator of Innocence, pray for us
Preserver of Innocence, pray for us
Consoler of Mister Doctor Plinio, pray for us
Mediator of the Grand Retour, pray for us
Mediator of all our graces, pray for us
Dawn of the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us
Lady Lucilia of the smile, pray for us
Lady Lucilia of Flashes*, pray for us
Most beautiful flower of all, pray for us
Our refuge, pray for us
Our consoler, pray for us
Our help in the Bagarre, pray for us
Reason of our perseverance, pray for us
Vase of logic, pray for us
Vase of metaphysics, pray for us
Martyr of isolation, pray for us
Queen of serene suffering, pray for us
Queen of loveliness, pray for us
Queen of serenity, pray for us
Lady Lucilia, our Mother and Lady, help us
Lady Lucilia, our greatest mediator before the Virgin, help us

I'll answer that one for you.

YES!

"Lady Lucilia" is the mother of Dr. Plino de Olivera, the founder of the group.

Ladislaus, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.

ClarkSmith · « **Reply #32 on:** May 27, 2014, 12:12:53 PM »

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Quote from: parentsfortruth
TFP is a cult.

That is all.

Precisely. From what I recall of my exposure to them some years ago, they really like to separate young people from their families - especially Traditional Catholic families.

Yeah, because they run a boarding school.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #33 on:** May 27, 2014, 01:32:50 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Ladislaus, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.

Yeah, because you have no real knowledge of the subject. This "litany" thing was penned by a couple of "cooperators" of TFP in the 1970s. When Plinio caught wind of it, he immediately banned it ... because he took it as an insult. This was obviously written tongue-in-cheek ... as a joke. In fact, it reads like a sarcastic rip against Plinio's mother, and against Plinio himself vis-a-vis his devotion to and attachment to his mother. Please turn on your brain and look at the phrases used ... clearly pretentiously grand-sounding yet utterly meaningless "attributes".

Use your common sense. This litany reads like a joke, a prank composed by a couple of students ... like a frat thing.

As I pointed out, the only reason the group was eventually denounced by Bishop de Castro Mayer was because they became anti-clerical; they became anti-clerical as a result of constant run-ins they had with the modernist Brazilian hierarchy.

Don't be stupid.

I've written similarly sarcastic stuff that was taken seriously, an essay which used all kinds of nonsensical phrases to just rip on the Novus Ordo; my brother submitted it to an essay contest at his Novus Ordo school and won first place.

statistica · « **Reply #34 on:** May 28, 2014, 01:08:55 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: parentsfortruth
Ladislaus, I'm going to have to disagree with you on this.

Yeah, because you have no real knowledge of the subject. This "litany" thing was penned by a couple of "cooperators" of TFP in the 1970s. When Plinio caught wind of it, he immediately banned it ... because he took it as an insult. This was obviously written tongue-in-cheek ... as a joke. In fact, it reads like a sarcastic rip against Plinio's mother, and against Plinio himself vis-a-vis his devotion to and attachment to his mother. Please turn on your brain and look at the phrases used ... clearly pretentiously grand-sounding yet utterly meaningless "attributes".

Use your common sense. This litany reads like a joke, a prank composed by a couple of students ... like a frat thing.

As I pointed out, the only reason the group was eventually denounced by Bishop de Castro Mayer was because they became anti-clerical; they became anti-clerical as a result of constant run-ins they had with the modernist Brazilian hierarchy.

Don't be stupid.

I've written similarly sarcastic stuff that was taken seriously, an essay which used all kinds of nonsensical phrases to just rip on the Novus Ordo; my brother submitted it to an essay contest at his Novus Ordo school and won first place.

Agree.