Author Topic: Am I married? (Read 3137 times)

BTNYC · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2014, 12:55:27 PM »

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I can't even believe that you are still thinking about that. What are you doing? Monitoring me? If so, then please stop. I don't like being monitored.

Back in high school I knew an odd kid named Albert who was a big fan of the movie Highlander. One day, in the middle of English class and entirely unprovoked, he announced to me that he had a burning secret from which he needed to unburden himself: It seemed Albert had come to believe that he was an immortal; that no physical illness or injury could harm him, and that he knew that this amazing power would soon be put to the test in a swordfight with his most hated enemy (a guy named Dave who had stolen his girlfriend). He was completely serious about this.

While I can assure you that I have not spent the past two decades continually ruminating on this revelation, I can nonetheless recall it with perfect clarity because it made an impression on me. Specifically, it made the impression that Albert was a melodramatic, self-centered adolescent with some pretty pathological delusions of grandeur. Your thread musing about the possibility of your being the prophesied Monarch who will restore Christendom made a similar impression on me. I find your protestations that it shouldn't a little disingenuous.

If by "monitoring" you mean "read a post you'd written," then I plead guilty as charged to being both the "perpetrator" and "victim" of such monitoring... because, you know, this is an internet forum. As such, your desire to not be "monitored" is an easy one to fulfill - just stop posting.

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Its hard enough trying to stay focused on God, and the road to salvation.

Very true. You're not doing yourself any favors in this regard by posting whatever childish fantasies, paranoid suspicions, expressions of foppish vanity, or puerile insults that happen to float through your mind's transom at any given moment.

Take a break from posting. Study the Faith and the saints. Pray and fast. Mortify your flesh. Conquer your passions. Do this and it will be that much easier to focus on God and the Salvation of your soul.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2014, 03:04:12 PM »

Now look what you've done IF, you've rendered Lepanto Again speechless!

I think you may be on to something BTNYC with the transom idea. Some one should climb up there and close it. It'll take a brave person with a serviceable hazmat suit.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #17 on:** August 16, 2014, 04:07:52 AM »

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I can't even believe that you are still thinking about that. What are you doing? Monitoring me? If so, then please stop. I don't like being monitored.

Back in high school I knew an odd kid named Albert who was a big fan of the movie Highlander. One day, in the middle of English class and entirely unprovoked, he announced to me that he had a burning secret from which he needed to unburden himself: It seemed Albert had come to believe that he was an immortal; that no physical illness or injury could harm him, and that he knew that this amazing power would soon be put to the test in a swordfight with his most hated enemy (a guy named Dave who had stolen his girlfriend). He was completely serious about this.

While I can assure you that I have not spent the past two decades continually ruminating on this revelation, I can nonetheless recall it with perfect clarity because it made an impression on me. Specifically, it made the impression that Albert was a melodramatic, self-centered adolescent with some pretty pathological delusions of grandeur. Your thread musing about the possibility of your being the prophesied Monarch who will restore Christendom made a similar impression on me. I find your protestations that it shouldn't a little disingenuous.

If by "monitoring" you mean "read a post you'd written," then I plead guilty as charged to being both the "perpetrator" and "victim" of such monitoring... because, you know, this is an internet forum. As such, your desire to not be "monitored" is an easy one to fulfill - just stop posting.

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Its hard enough trying to stay focused on God, and the road to salvation.

Very true. You're not doing yourself any favors in this regard by posting whatever childish fantasies, paranoid suspicions, expressions of foppish vanity, or puerile insults that happen to float through your mind's transom at any given moment.

Take a break from posting. Study the Faith and the saints. Pray and fast. Mortify your flesh. Conquer your passions. Do this and it will be that much easier to focus on God and the Salvation of your soul.

And of course, your thinking is not impressing me at all in this post. You can use fancy words all you want but they are not an indicator of intelligence as you may somehow think in your own mind. Let me explain why I am saying this...

1) Albert had no reason to believe that he was immortal.

2) Trying to say that Albert's fantasy of being immortal is equivalent to my "fantasy" of being the Great Catholic Monarch is not accurate at all. While Albert had no reason to believe what he did, I showed some reason when I posted my lineage on that thread. My lineage is rare in North America and probably Europe as well. I have a docuмent that says so. There may only be 50,000 people in North America with French lineage that traces to Charlemagne. How many of those do you think can actually prove it even if they wanted to? Not very many. Keep in mind, I never once stated I believed that I was the Great Catholic Monarch. I was just contemplating it.

3) From my understanding, the requirement for being the Great Catholic Monarch is vague. It could literally be anybody. One prophecy that I know of has him as a "scion" of French Royalty. A scion is just a descendant. That is what I am. Of course there are a decent amount of other people who also are a "scion" of French royalty. But the pool of candidates for being the Great Catholic Monarch is very small. Its so small to the point where your odds of being the GCM (if you have French lineage to Charlemagne) are much higher than winning the Lotto. They might be as high as 1 in 5,000.

4) I firmly believe that there will be an Angelic Pope and Great Catholic Monarch as prophesied. I also believe that these 2 figures are going to appear within the next 25 years if not sooner. There is very strong evidence of this. If you really want to see where I am coming from then please let me know.

So calling me childish and whatever else is doing nothing here. I had some reason for thinking the way that I did while the other guy you are talking about had none.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #18 on:** August 16, 2014, 05:01:35 AM »

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I can't even believe that you are still thinking about that. What are you doing? Monitoring me? If so, then please stop. I don't like being monitored.

Back in high school I knew an odd kid named Albert who was a big fan of the movie Highlander. One day, in the middle of English class and entirely unprovoked, he announced to me that he had a burning secret from which he needed to unburden himself: It seemed Albert had come to believe that he was an immortal; that no physical illness or injury could harm him, and that he knew that this amazing power would soon be put to the test in a swordfight with his most hated enemy (a guy named Dave who had stolen his girlfriend). He was completely serious about this.

While I can assure you that I have not spent the past two decades continually ruminating on this revelation, I can nonetheless recall it with perfect clarity because it made an impression on me. Specifically, it made the impression that Albert was a melodramatic, self-centered adolescent with some pretty pathological delusions of grandeur. Your thread musing about the possibility of your being the prophesied Monarch who will restore Christendom made a similar impression on me. I find your protestations that it shouldn't a little disingenuous.

If by "monitoring" you mean "read a post you'd written," then I plead guilty as charged to being both the "perpetrator" and "victim" of such monitoring... because, you know, this is an internet forum. As such, your desire to not be "monitored" is an easy one to fulfill - just stop posting.

Quote from: InfiniteFaith
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Its hard enough trying to stay focused on God, and the road to salvation.

Very true. You're not doing yourself any favors in this regard by posting whatever childish fantasies, paranoid suspicions, expressions of foppish vanity, or puerile insults that happen to float through your mind's transom at any given moment.

Take a break from posting. Study the Faith and the saints. Pray and fast. Mortify your flesh. Conquer your passions. Do this and it will be that much easier to focus on God and the Salvation of your soul.

And of course, your thinking is not impressing me at all in this post. You can use fancy words all you want but they are not an indicator of intelligence as you may somehow think in your own mind. Let me explain why I am saying this...

1) Albert had no reason to believe that he was immortal.

2) Trying to say that Albert's fantasy of being immortal is equivalent to my "fantasy" of being the Great Catholic Monarch is not accurate at all. While Albert had no reason to believe what he did, I showed some reason when I posted my lineage on that thread. My lineage is rare in North America and probably Europe as well. I have a docuмent that says so. There may only be 50,000 people in North America with French lineage that traces to Charlemagne. How many of those do you think can actually prove it even if they wanted to? Not very many. Keep in mind, I never once stated I believed that I was the Great Catholic Monarch. I was just contemplating it.

3) From my understanding, the requirement for being the Great Catholic Monarch is vague. It could literally be anybody. One prophecy that I know of has him as a "scion" of French Royalty. A scion is just a descendant. That is what I am. Of course there are a decent amount of other people who also are a "scion" of French royalty. But the pool of candidates for being the Great Catholic Monarch is very small. Its so small to the point where your odds of being the GCM (if you have French lineage to Charlemagne) are much higher than winning the Lotto. They might be as high as 1 in 5,000.

4) I firmly believe that there will be an Angelic Pope and Great Catholic Monarch as prophesied. I also believe that these 2 figures are going to appear within the next 25 years if not sooner. There is very strong evidence of this. If you really want to see where I am coming from then please let me know.

So calling me childish and whatever else is doing nothing here. I had some reason for thinking the way that I did while the other guy you are talking about had none.

Also consider that the Great Monarch will be French and German. So of all the people who are descended of French Royals/Nobles, how many of those do you think have german blood in them? Certainly not all of them.

Its possilble that the Great Monarch wil also have spanish blood. But there is only 1 or 2 prophecies that indicate this.

Judas Machabeus · « **Reply #19 on:** August 16, 2014, 05:32:02 PM »

Enough of this nonsense.

I must now disclose that my mother's maiden name is Lyon.

Yes, Lyon. A royal family of Scotland, heirs to Glamis Castle. And the family of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the late Queen Mother of England.

Therefore, Infinite Faith, I contend that my claim is superior to yours.

Hand me the ring now, young man.

BTNYC · « **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2014, 09:27:37 PM »

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Enough of this nonsense.

I must now disclose that my mother's maiden name is Lyon.

Yes, Lyon. A royal family of Scotland, heirs to Glamis Castle. And the family of Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, the late Queen Mother of England.

Therefore, Infinite Faith, I contend that my claim is superior to yours.

Hand me the ring now, young man.

"You would have a queen..."

Well, that depends on what definition we're working with.

The "treacherous as the sea" part is spot on, though.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2014, 09:29:20 PM »

IF, genealogy is something I know a bit about. For reasons that would be way too involved for this exchange, descent from European/British royalty is fairly common in the United States. This is because of the make-up of the colonists that poured into early Virginia. There are literally millions of people in this country that can be traced back through British and French royal lines to Charlemagne.

That and $2.25 will get you a cup of coffee.

Judas Machabeus · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2014, 02:32:15 AM »

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IF, genealogy is something I know a bit about. For reasons that would be way too involved for this exchange, descent from European/British royalty is fairly common in the United States. This is because of the make-up of the colonists that poured into early Virginia. There are literally millions of people in this country that can be traced back through British and French royal lines to Charlemagne.

That and $2.25 will get you a cup of coffee.

I'll take a large hazelnut with soymilk and two Truvias, please.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2014, 06:05:45 AM »

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IF, genealogy is something I know a bit about. For reasons that would be way too involved for this exchange, descent from European/British royalty is fairly common in the United States. This is because of the make-up of the colonists that poured into early Virginia. There are literally millions of people in this country that can be traced back through British and French royal lines to Charlemagne.

That and $2.25 will get you a cup of coffee.

Your right about the British part. i have a docuмent that states that if you are an American with British lineage then you are related to Charlemagne. And there are probably more than 50 million poeple in North America who are. Its the French lineage to Charlemagne that is rare. The docuмent I have also says this. There were only about 1500-2000 people of french noble descent who migrated to North American between 1600 and 1850. Plus they all migrated to the same area in Quebec and intermarried. So the population growth for this group of people was very very small. If you apply a population growth model to 2000 people from then till now...you would find that there are no more than 50,000 people today who descend from the french nobles who migrated here. So 2000 people became 50,000 people in about 400 years. Its probably more like 25,000 people but im estimating high.

You also have to consider the French Revolution where many french nobles and royals were killed. Some escaped, migrated to other countries, and then intermarried with the nobles in those countries. Then some of the escapees returned to France when the time was right.

I bet today that there are no more than 50,000 people in both Europe and the United States.

Going back to what you were saying... I need to see some more evidence behind it. I can show you mine.

Lighthouse · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2014, 12:32:06 PM »

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I'll take a large hazelnut with soymilk and two Truvias, please.

The el grande hazelnut will cost you $5.75, that is unless you are related to Charles the Great by the French route, not the English. Then it will only cost you $5.00 plus an additional $325 to prove your lineage.

Himagain · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2014, 07:17:57 AM »

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168779-show-stopping-groom-returns-wedding-guests-realize-left-first-place/

Holy Matrimony? Today that seems to occur where the "church", of whatever denomination, is like a movie set for the idealized future memories of secular "christians". May as well record the Super Bowl over it.

poche · « **Reply #26 on:** August 20, 2014, 02:38:38 AM »

If your living arrangemen were to have taken place before the council of Trent or in an area where the decrees of the council wwere to have been unable to have been promulgated then you would have been married.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #27 on:** August 21, 2014, 10:54:56 AM »

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If your living arrangemen were to have taken place before the council of Trent or in an area where the decrees of the council wwere to have been unable to have been promulgated then you would have been married.

I think the Novus Ordo is teaching that marriage occurs between 2 individuals, and that a priest is not required. I suppose once the 2 individuals commit to marriage then preform the marital act they are then married. If I am understanding things correctly.

Dolores · « **Reply #28 on:** August 21, 2014, 12:21:36 PM »

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If your living arrangemen were to have taken place before the council of Trent or in an area where the decrees of the council wwere to have been unable to have been promulgated then you would have been married.

I think the Novus Ordo is teaching that marriage occurs between 2 individuals, and that a priest is not required. I suppose once the 2 individuals commit to marriage then preform the marital act they are then married. If I am understanding things correctly.

You are not understanding things correctly.

In order for Catholics to be validly married, even in the Novus Ordo, they must do so in a church before a priest. The priest does not confer the Sacrament, rather the husband and wife confer it on each other, but the priest witnesses the marriage for the Church and blesses it.

Even though the priest is only a witness of the marriage, Canon Law (even the new Canon Law) is clear that if a Catholic marries outside of the Church, it is invalid; in other words, there is no marriage at all.

poche · « **Reply #29 on:** August 21, 2014, 11:10:21 PM »

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If your living arrangemen were to have taken place before the council of Trent or in an area where the decrees of the council wwere to have been unable to have been promulgated then you would have been married.

I think the Novus Ordo is teaching that marriage occurs between 2 individuals, and that a priest is not required. I suppose once the 2 individuals commit to marriage then preform the marital act they are then married. If I am understanding things correctly.

No that is incorrect. In order for a marriage to be valid the marriage has to follow the proper form as determined by Canon Law. You have to play by this set of rules in order for anybody's marriage to be valid.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM