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Offline LaramieHirsch

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Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
« on: January 22, 2018, 01:10:15 PM »
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    • So, I've found that there is a strong correlation between the Alt-Right and the Traditional Catholic movement.  I've seen a lot of crossover between these two movements.  It appears they are on a parallel track.  I tried discussing this correlation in a previous article, titled: Overlap Between Traditional Catholics and the Political Right.

    These two movements of people just seem too similar to ignore.  And there is definitely some crossover between the two.  For example, I’ve seen many Traditional Catholics actually root for the Alt-Right’s causes on certain occasions.  And vice-versa, I’ve seen quite a few Alt-Right types actually convert and defend Catholicism, including Davis Aurini, Andy Nowicki.

    Basically, I've written the following:

    "Both the Alternative Right and the Traditional Catholics have fought against the unhealthy transformation of their organization.  Moderate sell-outs are viewed as trendy and “with it.”  Those who hearken back to sensible positions of ages past are viewed with suspicion and heaped with scorn–even by those on “their side.”  The Alt-Right is a mocked and demonized political group that seeks to steer the remains of Western civilization towards preservation and stability.  The Traditional Catholics are a persecuted people who struggle to hold onto whatever remnants of the Church they can, keeping the pilot light on amidst an ever-growing abomination of desolation." 
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    If this sounds interesting to Catinfo folk, check out the rest at https://www.menofthewest.net/alt-right-meet-rad-trad/.  It's not sedevacantism or flat earth talk, though.  So I'm unsure this conversation will go anywhere. 
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 01:30:56 PM »
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    • Having met individuals who adhere to one group or the other (not both!) I am comfortable with the rad-trad. At least they feign a type of godliness, not godlessness, and care about their fellow human, somewhat.
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 04:55:47 PM »
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    • What you think you should do about the muslim colonization of Europe? 
    Must work for a political change, take the left out of power, and give Europe back to the people, and return it to its roots. 
    That or extinction and we will be genocided once theyre the majority
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 06:03:17 PM »
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    • Today, after submitting this article out there to the interwebz, I've met with nothing but opposition from both groups.  It's been fascinating.  

    I mean, I know several Alt-Right personalities who are Catholics.  And I've met Catholics who are pro-Trump and agree with what the Alt-Right has been discussing.  

    But dare to mention the similarities between the two groups, and they appear to hate one another.  This is not something I foresaw.  And yet...it's entirely predictable.  

    The Alt-Right does not know what Traditional Catholicism is about.  They just imagine a bunch of gαy priests and Pope Francis.  Likewise, Trad Catholics don't even know what the Alt-Right is.  They just think of the term "neo-nαzι," racism, and Richard Spencer--all of which is quite wrong.  

    And, it seems, neither group has the time to make distinctions or to hear out what the actual scoop is.  No one has the patience for it.  

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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 06:04:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: victim of the sspx on January 22, 2018, 04:55:47 PM
    What you think you should do about the muslim colonization of Europe?
    Must work for a political change, take the left out of power, and give Europe back to the people, and return it to its roots.
    That or extinction and we will be genocided once theyre the majority
    The Muslims must go home.  
    The Left must be removed from power.  Monarchy must be restored.  
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 06:13:19 PM »
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    • I think if trad Catholics actually proved that they were interested in the same goals as the Alt Right then any animosity would disappear. The Alt Right is doing all the fighting. The Catholics are doing nothing. Zilch.
    If the church survives (is not outlawed and still has freedoms) then thank the Alt Right in the future.
    Let no one think that insular Catholicism detached from practical political matters will accomplish anything.
    Catholics once had a monopoly on political power because of the culture. How did it go from everything to nothing.
    Don't blame outside forces. There is something wrong with the ones who let it all slip away.
    Outside forces could not have done it without Catholics who buried their head in the sand so to speak.
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 06:57:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: victim of the sspx on January 22, 2018, 06:13:19 PM
    I think if trad Catholics actually proved that they were interested in the same goals as the Alt Right then any animosity would disappear. The Alt Right is doing all the fighting. The Catholics are doing nothing. Zilch.
    If the church survives (is not outlawed and still has freedoms) then thank the Alt Right in the future.
    Let no one think that insular Catholicism detached from practical political matters will accomplish anything.
    Catholics once had a monopoly on political power because of the culture. How did it go from everything to nothing.
    Don't blame outside forces. There is something wrong with the ones who let it all slip away.
    Outside forces could not have done it without Catholics who buried their head in the sand so to speak.
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 07:47:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: victim of the sspx on January 22, 2018, 06:13:19 PM
    I think if trad Catholics actually proved that they were interested in the same goals as the Alt Right then any animosity would disappear. The Alt Right is doing all the fighting. The Catholics are doing nothing. Zilch.
    If the church survives (is not outlawed and still has freedoms) then thank the Alt Right in the future.
    Let no one think that insular Catholicism detached from practical political matters will accomplish anything.
    Catholics once had a monopoly on political power because of the culture. How did it go from everything to nothing.
    Don't blame outside forces. There is something wrong with the ones who let it all slip away.
    Outside forces could not have done it without Catholics who buried their head in the sand so to speak.
    Where is there a real Catholic anywhere?

    Catholics were lead by popes and kings. There are no popes and kings.

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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 11:45:05 PM »
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    • Relating to +W's latest EC on surviving gulags,

    Lumping the Trads into the Alt-right is a convenient way to disguise their persecution of us.



    Never forget the motto of Israel's evil Mossad:

    "By way of deception thou shalt make war."
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #9 on: January 23, 2018, 12:53:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 22, 2018, 11:45:05 PM
    Lumping the Trads into the Alt-right is a convenient way to disguise their persecution of us.
    No one is lumping these two groups together.  As far as I can tell, I am the only one pointing to the parallel, correlating nature of these two movements.  
    I wrote the article and maintain my position because I believe the two groups have something to offer one another.  
    As victim of the sspx stated it best:  "Let no one think that insular Catholicism detached from practical political matters will accomplish anything.  Catholics once had a monopoly on political power because of the culture. How did it go from everything to nothing."
    The Alt-Right wants to reverse things.  But ultimately, it doesn't know where to go.  Some think back to 1776.  Others are able to say, "Let's go back 500 years."  Hardly any of them are able to put 2 and 2 together, and conclude that the Enlightenment itself was poison.  That's where the Catholics can help them.  
    As for us...the Alt-Right can teach us to be the vicious political animals we need to be again.  
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 01:09:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on January 23, 2018, 12:53:55 AM
    No one is lumping these two groups together.  As far as I can tell, I am the only one pointing to the parallel, correlating nature of these two movements.  
    I wrote the article and maintain my position because I believe the two groups have something to offer one another.  
    As victim of the sspx stated it best:  "Let no one think that insular Catholicism detached from practical political matters will accomplish anything.  Catholics once had a monopoly on political power because of the culture. How did it go from everything to nothing."
    The Alt-Right wants to reverse things.  But ultimately, it doesn't know where to go.  Some think back to 1776.  Others are able to say, "Let's go back 500 years."  Hardly any of them are able to put 2 and 2 together, and conclude that the Enlightenment itself was poison.  That's where the Catholics can help them.  
    As for us...the Alt-Right can teach us to be the vicious political animals we need to be again.  
    I didn't mean to accuse you of the lumping the groups.

    Actually, it's an interesting topic.  We Trads do share a lot of political viewpoints with the Alt-right.

    But I can't help think the Alt-right is controlled by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic media?

    For example, their Jєωιѕн media icons, Milo and Shapriro.

    Or their messianic "Christian" president who is helping Israel re-build their Temple in Jerusalem.


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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #11 on: January 23, 2018, 01:21:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 23, 2018, 01:09:35 AM

    But I can't help think the Alt-right is controlled by the ʝʊdɛօ-masonic media?

    For example, their Jєωιѕн media icons, Milo and Shapriro.

    Or their messianic "Christian" president who is helping Israel re-build their Temple in Jerusalem.
    No.  The Alt-Right is not Jєωιѕн-controlled.  Milo has renounced the title of Alt-Right because he's afraid of being lumped in with it, since Richard Spencer has sabotaged the brand with his idiocy.  And Ben Shapiro?  He hates the Alt-Right.  And the Alt-Right hates him, actually.  
    As for Trump?  He's an agent of chaos.  I like him very much.  He's the best president we've ever had in my entire life. 
    It's possible that the Alt-Right is being infiltrated.  I've often wondered if Spencer is a plant.  And that Charlottesville debacle last August REEKED of a set-up.  Jason Kessler--the guy who threw that thing together--was only a year earlier an Obama voter who worked with Occupy Wallstreet.  
    That being said, the Alt-Right is nebulous and has no head to it.  That's the strength of the movement, really.
     
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #12 on: January 23, 2018, 09:37:25 AM »
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    • Acknowledged & Thanks for the update Laramie!
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #13 on: January 23, 2018, 01:16:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on January 23, 2018, 01:21:18 AM
    No.  The Alt-Right is not Jєωιѕн-controlled.  Milo has renounced the title of Alt-Right because he's afraid of being lumped in with it, since Richard Spencer has sabotaged the brand with his idiocy.  And Ben Shapiro?  He hates the Alt-Right.  And the Alt-Right hates him, actually.  
    As for Trump?  He's an agent of chaos.  I like him very much.  He's the best president we've ever had in my entire life.
    It's possible that the Alt-Right is being infiltrated.  I've often wondered if Spencer is a plant.  And that Charlottesville debacle last August REEKED of a set-up.  Jason Kessler--the guy who threw that thing together--was only a year earlier an Obama voter who worked with Occupy Wallstreet.  
    That being said, the Alt-Right is nebulous and has no head to it.  That's the strength of the movement, really.
     
    Why is Spencer an idiot? 
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 05:42:50 PM »
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    • Brittany Pettibone is a traditional Catholic who grew up in St. Marys, Kansas and is often labeled as being Alt-Right/Alt-Lite. 

    Nick Fuentes claims to be a traditional Catholic and is also labeled as being Alt-Right. His political and religious view are often very much in line with those of traditional Catholics.  Although, he has become a somewhat alienated figure among the Alt-Right ever since "Thotgate". 

    I do not know much about Andy Nowicki, but he does not seem to be a traditional Catholic.
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