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Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
« Reply #105 on: July 07, 2018, 04:25:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on July 07, 2018, 08:07:35 AM

    How do you think Christendom started in the first place?  Do you honestly believe it fell out of the sky as a gift to the world?  No.  Christians were relegated to gathering in cemeteries and catacombs.  During Roman rule, even the Christians had to slowly crawl through society, making gains where they could.  Arguably, the long March of Catholics is going on right now in China.

    If it is a cold freezing night, and you have a bundle of wood, you don't refuse to light a match because some Jєω over there is also using a match.  

    Jєωs also chew their food.  Does this mean you swallow all your food whole?
    Weak points, Laramie. Christendom started with Catholics who made no bones about being anti-Jєωιѕн.
    The alt-right is the latest Jєωιѕн vehicle to corral a disaffected gentile group under a Jєω umbrella.
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    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #106 on: July 07, 2018, 05:00:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on July 03, 2018, 04:52:13 AM
    I believe it was. There was general conservatism from the likes of Catholic thinkers like Joe Sobran and others, not too mention the father of modern day conservatism Edmund Burke long before yids like Kristol and his tribe sacked the right not too long ago and culminated with the bloodthirsty zionist right wing stooges we have posing as "conservatives" today.

    Your reply was to my statement that neoconservatism wasn't co-opted by Jєωs. It was quite openly started by Jєωs, so it wasn't co-opted. Like I said, Bill Kristol's father was behind it. Commentary magazine functioned as the house organ (which, incidentally, the crypto Al Pacino worked for the 60s in some low-level position). When I first got interested in politics in the late-90s it was the neoconservative First Things/Commentary/National Review/New Criterion neoconservative crowd that first got my attention. I quickly shifted to the Russell Kirk/Joe Sobran/Pat Buchanan Right. Now I know longer consider myself a right winger.

    Sobran ultimately became disenchanted with the entire Conservative movement and began, ironically for someone who was anti-Jєωιѕн, to position himself with the Rothbard camp. You'd think he would have put two and two together and realized that the entire political arena is a Jєωιѕн rigged game, and that he should have eschewed Rothbard as well.

    Jєωs on the Right came to dislike the term neoconservative because they thought it was being used as a code word for Jєωs.
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    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #107 on: July 07, 2018, 10:45:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on July 07, 2018, 08:07:35 AM

    How do you think Christendom started in the first place?  Do you honestly believe it fell out of the sky as a gift to the world?  No.  Christians were relegated to gathering in cemeteries and catacombs.  During Roman rule, even the Christians had to slowly crawl through society, making gains where they could.  Arguably, the long March of Catholics is going on right now in China.

    If it is a cold freezing night, and you have a bundle of wood, you don't refuse to light a match because some Jєω over there is also using a match.  

    Jєωs also chew their food.  Does this mean you swallow all your food whole?
    Actually Christianity did come as a gift to the world. It is Jesus' gratuitous gift to us.
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #108 on: July 08, 2018, 01:22:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: rum on July 07, 2018, 04:25:42 PM
    Weak points, Laramie. Christendom started with Catholics who made no bones about being anti-Jєωιѕн.
    The alt-right is the latest Jєωιѕн vehicle to corral a disaffected gentile group under a Jєω umbrella.


    Nah.  My points are good.  

    Also, I'm not arguing that early Catholics weren't against Jєωs.  Don't know where that came from.  

    No, the "Alt-Right" (if we're to give it a brand name) was not a Jєωιѕн vehicle to corral disaffected right-wingers.  It developed organically, starting after the Ron Paul Revolution.  Spencer, disciple/friend of Gottfried, an opportunist, and possible controlled opposition, then tried to capitalize on the movement, even giving it its name: Alt-Right.  During the 2016 election, Alt-Right simply meant an anti-political correctness movement.  But since then, I've seen Jєωs and white nationalists capitalize on this brand.  The term "Alt-Right movement" has meant different things at different times for different people, it seems.  It was always a nebulous term that couldn't be pinned down, much like the movement itself which didn't really have a leader.  There were only wings of the Alt-Right.  Sectors and quarters.  

    But that is not to say that the Jєωs are not interested and fascinated by the phenomenon.  For example, I've recently learned about how Luke Ford, a Jєωιѕн convert, is utterly fascinated with everything Alt-Right.  I think that at this stage, the Alt-Right brand has definitely been infiltrated, and I think it's become a plaything for Jєωs.  I've started distancing myself from the brand name ever since you shared with me those links this spring.  

    It doesn't matter, though.  The "Alt-Right Episode" was a flash in the pan for something greater.  Fact of the matter is, the Right is rising, and it is set to displace 20th Century liberalism.  Call the movement what you want, it isn't stopping.  There really isn't an "alternative right wing" any longer.  It's just, simply, Right.  It's rolling along like a snowball down a hill.  I imagine the spirit of this phenomenon will really show itself during political seasons.  But I also expect the cuckservatives to keep on cuckin'.  If it's one thing that I've learned in the last half-decade, it's that people RARELY break out of groupthink.

    Here's a fun article: Richard Spencer Is Death - https://affirmativeright.blogspot.com/2018/06/richard-spencer-is-death.html
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #109 on: July 08, 2018, 12:55:20 PM »
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    • Laramie, any particular thoughts you would like to share re Patrick Little out in California?
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #110 on: July 08, 2018, 07:23:40 PM »
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    • Quote from: klasG4e on July 08, 2018, 12:55:20 PM
    Laramie, any particular thoughts you would like to share re Patrick Little out in California?


    Sorry, I don't know about this guy.
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #111 on: July 08, 2018, 11:37:24 PM »
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #112 on: September 21, 2018, 02:59:29 PM »
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    • The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely-connected and somewhat ill-defined grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-nαzιs, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers, and other far-right fringe hate groups.

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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #113 on: September 23, 2018, 06:58:26 AM »
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    Your reply was to my statement that neoconservatism wasn't co-opted by Jєωs. It was quite openly started by Jєωs, so it wasn't co-opted. Like I said, Bill Kristol's father was behind it.
    I understand that and yes, the "neo-khans" as I call them was a predomoinately Jєωιѕн operation morphing radical, commie  leftists yid from the 60's into the chickenhawks within the Bush II admin perpetrating Zionists wars in the ME.

    However, my contention is that these little Jєωs hijacked real conservatism and pushed their own Jєω-agenda in the form of "neo-conservatism" on their eventually  ultimately bought and sold stooges like Dumbya after 2000 and 9-11. It's been all downhill from their. Ironically, Obama actually set back their plans somewhat with the Iran deal and actually was a thorn in "Bibi" and Israel's side for years, much to the disdain of the "neo-khans" in America. But, now with the Donald in charge and his love for the Hebe's, all things  Israel and the chickenhawks (Like Bolton,etc) and tearing up the Iran contract, it's business as usual with the chosen.

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     Now I know longer consider myself a right winger. 
    I don't get into them labeling games when it comes to politics. I will say I am a Latin Catholic,pro-life and the family as well as an American nationalist. And as in, what's good for ALL American's interests, not a select few of Jєωs and their zio-stooges on the right (or left for that matter.) So no. I am not a "right" or "left" whatever.

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    Sobran ultimately became disenchanted with the entire Conservative movement and began, ironically for someone who was anti-Jєωιѕн, to position himself with the Rothbard camp
    I'm not sure about that, but, I will admit, I haven't Joe for years. But that is dissappointing if true.

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    Jєωs on the Right came to dislike the term neoconservative because they thought it was being used as a code word for Jєωs
    I disagree. Jєωs hate when you call them Jєωs, they don't mind being covertly being called anything else (neo-cons,liberals,freemasons,commies,etc), matter of fact, it's quite convenient for them. Nothing exposes a Jєω then just straight out being called a "Jєω". then their entire cover is blown. then let the wailing and moaning begin. Unless their converted Christians, then they will have no problem stating their "Jєωιѕнness".
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #114 on: September 23, 2018, 07:00:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on July 08, 2018, 07:23:40 PM

    Sorry, I don't know about this guy.
    I think he's a "little" bit of a nutcase. No pun intended.
    But the guy has brass ones that's for sure. 
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #115 on: September 23, 2018, 07:03:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 21, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
    The alt-right, or alternative right, is a loosely-connected and somewhat ill-defined grouping of white supremacists/white nationalists, neo-nαzιs, neo-fascists, neo-Confederates, h0Ɩ0cαųst deniers, and other far-right fringe hate groups.
    Fixed that for you. Your bogus PC terminology needs serious updating.
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #116 on: September 23, 2018, 05:11:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: alaric on September 23, 2018, 07:03:33 AM
    Fixed that for you. Your bogus PC terminology needs serious updating.
    It wasn't actually my terminology, it was Wikipedia's. My point was, how can conflating True Catholicism with Alt-right be a good thing?
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #117 on: September 23, 2018, 06:26:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 23, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
    ...My point was, how can conflating True Catholicism with Alt-right be a good thing?

    This was all delineated for you in the articles you're refusing to read.  I pretty much spell it out.  But you've decided to only react to a headline, as most non-thinking r-selected interenet browsers tend to do.

    http://forge-and-anvil.com/2018/01/07/overlap-between-traditional-catholics-the-political-right/

    A lot has happened since this thread was first penned, and since then I've decided to distance myself from the "Alt-Right brand" anyway.  I figured a brand name isn't a hill worth dying on.  

    http://forge-and-anvil.com/2018/08/20/2018-where-do-i-stand-with-the-alt-right-brand/


    Quote from: Cera on September 23, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
    It wasn't actually my terminology, it was Wikipedia's.

     Wikipedia is hardly neutral.  It is completely Leftist-dominated.  I imagine you refer to Snopes as well.  
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #118 on: September 23, 2018, 06:29:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 23, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
    It wasn't actually my terminology, it was Wikipedia's. My point was, how can conflating True Catholicism with Alt-right be a good thing?
    What is "true" Catholicism to you?
    Where in any Church doctrine or dogma does it state that we have to lay down to a bunch of fanatical leftists and anarchists that want to destroy everything and anything we hold value to or sit back and be genocided out like good little sheep?
    I never understood how to be a good little Catholic or Christian you had to keep your mouth shut and eyes closed against murder, oppression and tyranny. Is not the church full of martyrs who couldn't just  keep their mouth shut or just go along with the program?
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    Re: Alt-Right, Meet Rad-Trad
    « Reply #119 on: September 24, 2018, 03:54:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: LaramieHirsch on September 23, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
    This was all delineated for you in the articles you're refusing to read.  I pretty much spell it out.  But you've decided to only react to a headline, as most non-thinking r-selected interenet browsers tend to do.

    http://forge-and-anvil.com/2018/01/07/overlap-between-traditional-catholics-the-political-right/

    A lot has happened since this thread was first penned, and since then I've decided to distance myself from the "Alt-Right brand" anyway.  I figured a brand name isn't a hill worth dying on.  

    http://forge-and-anvil.com/2018/08/20/2018-where-do-i-stand-with-the-alt-right-brand/


     Wikipedia is hardly neutral.  It is completely Leftist-dominated.  I imagine you refer to Snopes as well.  
    rotflol No snopes for me. I cited Wikipedia only because it reflects what most people are exposed to. The point being, Traditional Catholics have a great deal to lose if we are in any way affiliated with the so-called alt-right. What a horrible notion.
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