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roscoe · « **Reply #35 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:26:47 PM »

I have no op on 'Pope Augustine' because he is even worse than,CM, fkp or Raoul and is not to be taken seriously.

roscoe · « **Reply #36 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:30:30 PM »

Actually the last Pope John of the GWS WAS involved in hersey but he recanted and that was that. I do not recall if De Luna was Pope John or another of the French Popes of the schism.

Jamie · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:23:36 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Notice the above cracks re: MJ that are not mine.

I have major differences with Belloc but in this case I agree that Raoul and CM should be the next to go.

I trust von Pastor b4 the modern usurped Catholic Pedia.

Acc to Pastor( as has been noted numerous times only to fall on deaf ears), a condition of the settlement of the GWS was that one was left free to call either faction the True Pope. This is because it was a political schism( most around here are aware of this) and no heresies or homos were involved. Sorry if I can't remember chap and verse, but like the abolition of the 'veto' by Pius IX, it is a historical truth.

I agree with Ladislaus and if anyone is paying attention, I have tended to use words like heretical or engaging in heresy instead of shouting heretic all over the place.

To bad that Matthew has no time to deal with my contentions re: sspx.

De Luna was Anti-Pope Benedict XIII. Also, it was Pope Pius X who abolished the veto - he was the elected because Mariano Rampolla was vetoed by the Emperor of Austria-Hungary.

Now, as for De Luna, if you are going to state that he was NOT an anti-Pope, you must declare Pope Boniface IX, Innocent VII, and Gregory XII as anti-Popes because they were the Popes who reigned during the reign of the anti-Pope. Furthermore, after the death of anti-Pope Benedict XIII there was a new anti-Pope who succeeded him (Clement VIII) - he was elected by only 3 Cardinals. Succeeding him was anti-Pope Benedict XIV who was elected by 1 Cardinal. The line of succession of these Avignon anti-Popes ended there.

Jamie · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:28:28 PM »

Quote from: roscoe

Actually the last Pope John of the GWS WAS involved in hersey but he recanted and that was that. I do not recall if De Luna was Pope John or another of the French Popes of the schism.

De Luna was not Pope John - it was Pope John XXIII (the cause for minor controversy when the 20th century John XXIII took that regnal name). The WS John XXIII was anti-Pope John XXIII and his real name was Baldassarre Cossa and he abandoned the legitimate Pope Gregory XII.

Jamie · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:51:59 PM »

Quote from: Raoul76

I'm disturbed about one other thing. Matthew, will you please reinstate Fkpagnanelli? I have agreed with your other choices of banishment but this one leaves me with a queasy feeling. Fk struck me as having a good heart beneath a crusty exterior. He also had some valid points to make. I think he contributed to the dynamic of the site.

While I agree about banishing Roscoe, I absolutely do not agree with what you are saying here about Fkpagnanelli. He was the main reason for my initial request to Matthew to do something about the mess and, frankly, if he was allowed to stay here I, for one, would be seriously considering leaving. I am sure I am not the only one. He was simply unable to say anything in charity - he constantly spewed vitriol. He was damaging and disturbing.