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trad123 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:16:31 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

If someone is only in material heresy -- but hasn't been declared a formal heretic -- they are still Catholic.

For what its worth I would like to quote from 2 theology manuals:

(About to quote the rest, I pressed reply rather than preview)

All theologians teach that publicly known heretics, that is, those who belong to a heterodox sect through public profession, or those who refuse the infallible teaching authority of the Church, are excluded from the body of the Church, even if their heresy is only material heresy.

trad123 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:35:08 AM »

Ouch! typed it up, then clicked to submit when I was in edit form and got booted, lesson learned. I'll type it up again in a few minutes.

trad123 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2010, 01:58:30 AM »

Raoul76 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:29:39 AM »

CathInfo Productions Presents:

MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY

***Starring***

Matthew as Captain Bly
Michael de la Sota as Fletcher Christian

I may be overzealous, Matthew -- or just as zealous as God wants me to be -- but I am just telling you that I cannot mentally consent to the idea that everyone here is Catholic, and I have to say that in writing. Otherwise, as you say, my silence will be consent.

I don't know if you REALLY expect this mental consent or if you are just trying to get people to stop calling each other heretics. If you are trying to get mental consent, that is too much like a contract for me -- I don't sign contracts like that, they are of the devil.

I walked away from the Bishop Vezelis group when they tried to make me sign a contract saying I had to accept Bp. Vezelis as the only true bishop in the Eastern United States. Now you want me to mentally consent that certain people I deeply mistrust and consider ruinous to souls ( I won't name screennames ) are Catholic?

I can't do that. Either ban me as an example to others, say that this isn't what you meant, or grant me an exception. I will follow external rules as they are given to me, I will stop calling people heretics -- I don't think I do that very often anyway -- but I will not give you control over my brain.

Was that a rousing speech?

*****

I believe you are certainly good-willed, and if I may be so bold, I think your connection to SSPX is purely sentimental, due to your having gone to seminary there. That is my impression of you. I don't know if you are a heretic at all, materially or formally, because you don't speak about certain issues. I've always kind of imagined you keeping an open mind, reading the posts, and keeping your distance for now.

I see the website as being populated by those of more or less good will. Some are trying to deceive; others are trying to help. Some are trying to help in the right way; others are trying to help in the wrong way. Some are teaching; some are learning; some are doing both. We all have to make up our own minds about which is which. Can we see into hearts, can we say for sure that someone is a formal heretic. No, not for sure. But I darn well suspect some people.

It's good to keep an open mind and examine all angles. I don't mind the Feeneyites calling me a heretic and forcing me to examine their position. I have done so assiduously, and found that their position lacks merit, as they are misreading papal decrees. I wouldn't want them banned from trying to convert me, though, if they feel they are on the right track.

Ultimately, I'm not sure what is being asked here. My guess is that this new rule is prompted by FKpaganelli and his aggressive attitude but then you say in effect that all missionary activity must cease. Is that the case?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2010, 02:51:12 AM »

ChantCD said:

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What makes you think so many CathInfo members are not Catholic?

I don't think I put a number on it. It is not "so many." I do believe there are disinfo agents here, though.

ChantCD said:

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They all put themselves forward as Catholics, implying they were baptized. Many were baptized in Latin with the words, "Ego te baptizo in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti."

So does the VII hierarchy...

ChantCD said:

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Why do you presume they are of bad will?

Remember that post you wrote about your criteria for kicking people off the site? That you take pieces of information, certain choices they make and things they say, run it through the computer of your brain, and form a picture of them?

It's like that. There are certain posters here who intelligently and subtly lead people towards dangerous and misleading assumptions in a way that simply cannot be coincidental or accidental. It's just too smooth.

Granted, even then, I cannot be 100% sure that it is deliberate. But I don't need to, for the reasons trad123 lays out.

ChantCD said:

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If you are judging them, you should refer to (Matt 7:1), "Judge not, that you may not be judged". If you aren't judging them, just call them Catholics and move on -- to your various arguments, if need be.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" must be read in tandem with other sayings of Christ. He Himself was suspicious of the Pharisees, who He knew were trying to draw Him out. Maybe we should draw a line being judging and suspecting.

I do not compare myself to Christ or say that I have the right to call people hypocrites because He did. He had all kinds of rights that I don't. But I do say I have the right to be suspicious, and to protect my soul by being aware of the devices of the devil, by being wise as a serpent and soft as a dove ( or trying, anyway ).