This is assented to by ALL members of CathInfo:

The majority of CathInfo members are Catholics trying to save their souls to the best of their ability, during this Crisis in the Church which is serious beyond precedent. This majority consists of members of Christ's Mystical Body, who possess the One True Faith which leads to salvation.

There are no formally excommunicated persons (or vitandi) present on CathInfo to the best of my knowledge; and (with few exceptions) none that still need to convert to Catholicism.

I will not impose (i.e., require as as prerequisite for membership in the Catholic Church) dogmas that do not exist: including, but not limited to, positions regarding: past popes, Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood, Natural Family Planning, and Fatima.


Continued membership and posting here on CathInfo implies assent to the above declaration.

Your silence implies assent.

If you act in such a manner that seems to go back on your declaration (above), you will be banned.

God bless,

Matthew

There are no formal heretics present on CathInfo; and (with few exceptions) none that still need to convert to Catholicism.


Continued membership and posting here on CathInfo implies assent to the above declaration.

Your silence implies assent.

J'ACCUSE!!!![/color]

I have to loudly say that I cannot give mental assent to the assertion that there are no formal heretics here, or none that need to convert to Catholicism.  

What I can do is refrain from calling them formal heretics or heretics at all.  I usually say something like "You're disingenuous" or "I don't trust you."

I think you have covered this when you say that "accusations" are allowed.  If that is not allowed, please ban me now so I don't sully the board further.  

I will follow external rules that are given to me as long as they don't defuse my truth-finding purpose.  But it would be to give Old Scratch my soul to lie and say I'll mentally assent to the notion that everyone is Catholic here, or not formal heretics, because I don't know that.  

I think the gist of your new rules is that we should be charitable, presume innocence and good will, and not call each other heretics, is that correct?

Raoul, here's some food for thought:

It's common for recent converts to be on fire with zeal, and to want to convert the world. However, they seldom are equipped -- intellectually, emotionally, or spiritually -- to do so.

I remember after being in the seminary for 3 months, I thought I was ready to teach people, etc. but the fact was that I had a LOT to learn yet, and still do! And that's considering I'd been traditional Catholic my entire life and had already read many solidly Catholic books/texts. The first 2 decades of my life, we went to an independent chapel.

I remember being on a bus for 6 hours, heading home -- I was disappointed that no opportunity presented itself for me to discuss religion. My spiritual director cautioned me about this sort of tendency.  You don't yet know what all you don't know.

Matthew

Ouch! typed it up, then clicked to submit when I was in edit form and got booted, lesson learned. I'll type it up again in a few minutes.

CathInfo Productions Presents:

MUTINY ON THE BOUNTY

***Starring***

Matthew as Captain Bly
Michael de la Sota as Fletcher Christian

I may be overzealous, Matthew -- or just as zealous as God wants me to be -- but I am just telling you that I cannot mentally consent to the idea that everyone here is Catholic, and I have to say that in writing.  Otherwise, as you say, my silence will be consent.  

I don't know if you REALLY expect this mental consent or if you are just trying to get people to stop calling each other heretics.   If you are trying to get mental consent, that is too much like a contract for me -- I don't sign contracts like that, they are of the devil.  

I walked away from the Bishop Vezelis group when they tried to make me sign a contract saying I had to accept Bp. Vezelis as the only true bishop in the Eastern United States.  Now you want me to mentally consent that certain people I deeply mistrust and consider ruinous to souls ( I won't name screennames ) are Catholic?  

I can't do that.  Either ban me as an example to others, say that this isn't what you meant, or grant me an exception.  I will follow external rules as they are given to me, I will stop calling people heretics -- I don't think I do that very often anyway -- but I will not give you control over my brain.  

Was that a rousing speech?

*****

I believe you are certainly good-willed, and if I may be so bold, I think your connection to SSPX is purely sentimental, due to your having gone to seminary there.  That is my impression of you.  I don't know if you are a heretic at all, materially or formally, because you don't speak about certain issues.  I've always kind of imagined you keeping an open mind, reading the posts, and keeping your distance for now.

I see the website as being populated by those of more or less good will.  Some are trying to deceive; others are trying to help.  Some are trying to help in the right way; others are trying to help in the wrong way.  Some are teaching; some are learning; some are doing both.  We all have to make up our own minds about which is which.  Can we see into hearts, can we say for sure that someone is a formal heretic.  No, not for sure.  But I darn well suspect some people.

It's good to keep an open mind and examine all angles.  I don't mind the Feeneyites calling me a heretic and forcing me to examine their position.  I have done so assiduously, and found that their position lacks merit, as they are misreading papal decrees.  I wouldn't want them banned from trying to convert me, though, if they feel they are on the right track.  

Ultimately, I'm not sure what is being asked here.  My guess is that this new rule is prompted by FKpaganelli and his aggressive attitude but then you say in effect that all missionary activity must cease.  Is that the case?

I think the vast majority of the above strongly indicates the fact that Raoul ought to be banned.  I have no ill feelings toward you Raoul, but you (and certain others I won't name) cause much discontent here and your rather loud and long posts above show that you do not wish to comply with Matthew's request.

Despite our differences, I don't consider you or CM or any of the other sedes, feeneyites, etc. to be heretics.  I don't agree with your positions, but I believe that the Church will eventually clarify these not-so-clear issues.  If you can't offer the same good will to others that is extended to you, you shouldn't be posting here.

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If you can't offer the same good will to others that is extended to you, you shouldn't be posting here.

Saying I should be banned outright is your idea of good will?  You had said this a couple days ago, so don't pretend that you are just complying with Matthew's recent request.

I know I said it a couple of days ago - and I hope it partly inspired this change of heart he has had.  You are one of the people doing the very thing he is complaining about and it is entirely unnecessary.  If we can all be civil to the minority here (sedes) why can't they be civil to us?  Why is that every topic here ends up with one of you sedes calling someone a heretic?  How is that helpful in any way?  

I would be happy to discuss theological points with you to the best of my ability, but I, among others here, will eventually stop engaging in any topics that you (sedes) appear in.  As for fkpagnelli (I may have spelt that wrong), I have seen nothing but vitriol spew from his mouth since he started posting recently.  It is not holy or healthy.

Look back over my posts since I joined here and you will not find one instance of me calling someone a heretic - despite them holding contrary views to my own.  Sadly we would all be hard pressed to find many posts by the sedes here that DON'T call someone a heretic.

Matthew, can this constitute banning? He publicly calls you and the rest of us heretics and one has to wonder why he is even here then, other than work to devil-ide..

I see he and CM are include in the Catholic list, which makes me again wonder if this is the buddy CM noted as having that agreed with him 100%. Like the wolves from SGG that infiltrate, a wolf in our midsts..

I unhid FK to see what angry vitrolic he spewed and I was not surprised in the least.

lets ban him and maybe even CM and move on to a real discussion without wasted space and time....their vitrolic alone must be costing you site space....

FK in these last few posts has proved he is no gentlemen and is here only to disrupt, maybe he has no wehre else to go for his arrogance and his acid.....